TheGoalNet Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Bauer Supreme 1S Skates Previous Skates: Bauer One100 Length of Ownership: 5+ years Current Level Play / Use: A or B men's league, 1-2 times a week Note: The original article has been updated into a staff article. Some comments below may reflect updated or deleted content. At this stage in the game, it takes me a tremendously long time to wear out pro level gear. . . if its possible at all. My old skates had the cliché Vertexx cut out cracking, but otherwise held up well. As with most gear driven decisions these days, a new technology or pure need to change causes most purchases. In this case, it was a new technology! When I got my first set of P1s in college at their initial launch, I began to wonder when a company would come out with a truly modern skate. I wanted something that was not hindered by a legacy of heavy plastic from the skate save era. I didn’t understand why I had pads that turned my makeshift flexibility into picture perfect pad rotation and skates that didn’t know what a butterfly was. The second I saw teaser pics for the 1S online a last year, I began drooling over them. The hype around these skates is manly based on the improved attack angle and weight reduction. Those are clearly awesome and two unique selling points. This technology is already validated as a large number of pros are in the 1S or use Vertexx Edge holders on their VH skates. I find the improved attack angle pays the biggest dividends to me in battle or recovery situations. The most common place that my feet used to slide out was trying to execute a butterfly slide while already down and chasing a rebound, failed clear, etc. The new skates bite much sooner and with a greater range of motion. I can think of at least 2 “highlight reel” saves since converting to these skates that would have been lame duck slides in my One100s. However, I find the best part about these skates is the connected feel I have with them. I can finally feel the ice below my feet and my movement feels considerably more precise. I attribute this to two things: Reduced weight; anything that weighs less is less noticeable. It's why OEMs are constantly trying to make every piece of gear lighter and lighter There are not clunky pieces of plastic getting in my way any longer and that's always a big deal. Mounting the cowling directly to the midsole; I think mounting the blade holder directly to the bottom is a major break thru on this skate and it's not anything I've ever heard mentioned before. The first few strides felt weird under my feet, but also amazing. You can feel the ice beneath your feet more like you can with a player's skates. This gives you a tremendous amount of feel during slides. For me, I find that feel equals controls. It's one of those Apple like things that I didn't know I was missing... until Steve Jobs pointed out how bad life was without it. The only negative that I found with these skates was short lived. I've got a Supreme foot and I love stiff skates. Ever since skates could be baked, I have been wearing Supremes with no issues. In addition to my previously mentioned One100 goal skates, this also includes One95s and One100 player skates. I've never had so much as a blister. Lacing the skates up at the store, the volume felt a bit different. I assumed this was because the ankle padding in these skates is monstrous or that they were unbaked. My One100 are basically slippers at this point in time and any new skates would have probably felt foreign. After all, it's been awhile since I had new wheels. They were baked at the store and the skates felt fine. The guy at the local Total Hockey was very helpful. I didn't sweat it and wore them a few days later. As described above, I was in heaven and loved the improved performance. These are noticeably better than my old skates. However, with literally like 1 minute left in the first game skate, I felt a bit of pinching on my left ankle. When I took off my skates, I had small blisters on the front of each inner ankle. The side that popped caused the pinching sensation. I don't wear socks with skates. I wore them again a few times and it was the same deal. I would have no real pain during most of the skate, but I was feeling a little pinching at the end and kept getting blisters. I took the skates to my local Total Hockey, which is unfortunately slated to close soon, and got them baked again. I laced them a little looser during the second bake and was fanatical not to move my feet or legs during the fitting. As with the first time, the skates felt great at the end the settling period and I left the store. I have skated with them half a dozen times since then and am happy to report that they feel great now. The minor pinching issue has been resolved and the blisters are no more. I think these skates are a major step forward and will be remembered as a dramatic turning point in the history of goal skates. I would recommend that anyone looking for new skates wait until their OEM of choice offers this technology or just switch to Bauer now, it's a game changer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Have you tried wearing them with socks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted February 11, 2017 Author Share Posted February 11, 2017 No, ive never worn socks with skates past 1st year mites, don't want to go that route I'm planning to try one more skates with them tied looser. If that fails, I'll rebake. Anyone else have other suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 I think wearing them looser will be worse. There will be more room for your feet to move and rub. I would just go straight to baking again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big2 Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Wow incredible that the ball of your ankle is so close to the lace holes? Do you have the same ankle location In your One 100's you might want to measure the length from the 2/3 eye lid to the back of the skate on your pictures it looks narrower? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted February 11, 2017 Author Share Posted February 11, 2017 One major difference between skates is that the 1S's have like 10x more ankle padding than the One100. That's why I'm hoping another baking does the trick. I'm thinking maybe I didn't everything locked into place properly I can measure them and get back to you, but i don't know if I trust that. I was hoping someone who works in shop might be able to chime in and confirm if they removed volume with the 1S boot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 My observation when I tried on a pair of S190s were that the boot was narrower overall from other iterations of Supreme skates that I have tried on in the recent past. I think I would have had a LOT of punching out in the forefoot of the boot to make them work. Ultimately, I went with VH boots hoping for a better fit and built for all of my foot maladies. That being said- another bake is probably what the doctor ordered. I think a lot of your problems will be solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly35or00 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Everything I've read about these skates makes me want them more and more. I need new skates badly but only have about 6 weeks of hockey left so they will be a next year purchase but thanks for your impressions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mik Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Insole is carbon fiber or plasic that looks like carbon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted February 22, 2017 Author Share Posted February 22, 2017 I did a 2nd baking today at Total Hockey. Skates feel amazing, but the on ice will be the litmus test. insole is foam with curve composite in the ball and heel - There is also extra padding in the toe box area. I don't wear socks and I love that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 I wish I liked the stiffness of all of these new composite skates. I wanna try something like this so bad but I just don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted February 22, 2017 Author Share Posted February 22, 2017 Why don't you try the S170 or associated Vapor when it is available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 I prefer the feeling of older skates. I still wear Bauer 7000s. I just don't like how stiff all the new stuff is. I didn't even like one100s and those weren't even composite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted February 26, 2017 Author Share Posted February 26, 2017 On 2/22/2017 at 4:05 PM, SaveByRichter35 said: I prefer the feeling of older skates. I still wear Bauer 7000s. I just don't like how stiff all the new stuff is. I didn't even like one100s and those weren't even composite. Got it... maybe you'll get lucky and the new lower end Vapor will work for you or you get a Vertexx Edge and Mod the toe of your 7000 skates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 On 2/25/2017 at 8:32 PM, TheGoalNet said: Got it... maybe you'll get lucky and the new lower end Vapor will work for you or you get a Vertexx Edge and Mod the toe of your 7000 skates There is no way I would wear a 7000 boot without any kind of toe protection. I still take pucks off the toes every now and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted March 1, 2017 Author Share Posted March 1, 2017 8 hours ago, SaveByRichter35 said: There is no way I would wear a 7000 boot without any kind of toe protection. I still take pucks off the toes every now and again. Do you have any space inside the toe? Maybe you could put Maltese gel on the inside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 On 2/28/2017 at 10:32 PM, TheGoalNet said: Do you have any space inside the toe? Maybe you could put Maltese gel on the inside I'd prefer something on the outside. It's fine, it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 4 hours ago, SaveByRichter35 said: I'd prefer something on the outside. It's fine, it is what it is. You could do a fibreglass overlay. It's just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 2 hours ago, bunnyman666 said: You could do a fibreglass overlay. It's just a thought. Nah, I am fine with the one80 cowling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 3 hours ago, SaveByRichter35 said: Nah, I am fine with the one80 cowling. Cowlings were the way for a long time- nothing wrong with staying with what you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 21 hours ago, bunnyman666 said: Cowlings were the way for a long time- nothing wrong with staying with what you like. Yea it is what it is. I just prefer the older softer boots and that will prevent me from moving away from a cowling. Sucks because I remember how blown away I was the first time I skated on my 7000s after swapping the old tuuk cowling for the one80 cowling and Step steel. It was such a dramatic improvement for my down movements. I can only imagine how much I'd love one of these cowlingless designs. Plus another drawback is I prefer 4mm steel and the only one that can offer that is VH and I am not blowing all that money on skates. I am lucky enough that off the shelf skates fit my feet perfectly fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 2 hours ago, SaveByRichter35 said: Yea it is what it is. I just prefer the older softer boots and that will prevent me from moving away from a cowling. Sucks because I remember how blown away I was the first time I skated on my 7000s after swapping the old tuuk cowling for the one80 cowling and Step steel. It was such a dramatic improvement for my down movements. I can only imagine how much I'd love one of these cowlingless designs. Plus another drawback is I prefer 4mm steel and the only one that can offer that is VH and I am not blowing all that money on skates. I am lucky enough that off the shelf skates fit my feet perfectly fine. I hear you. 4mm steel is the only way to fly in goal. I don't blame you on not spending to get skates just for 4mm steel. I freaking lament that it takes nearly a Grand to get skates that don't KILL my feet. The softer skates moulded better, albeit at the expense of protection. The only thing I say is to get as much Step Steel as you can to ensure you can service your skates! You never know how long that will be available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 1 hour ago, bunnyman666 said: I hear you. 4mm steel is the only way to fly in goal. I don't blame you on not spending to get skates just for 4mm steel. I freaking lament that it takes nearly a Grand to get skates that don't KILL my feet. The softer skates moulded better, albeit at the expense of protection. The only thing I say is to get as much Step Steel as you can to ensure you can service your skates! You never know how long that will be available. I've been on the same set of steel for, idk, at least 3 years now and there is still plenty of meat on them. I usually go a few months between sharpenings. I am definitely due for one now though, I meant to go this week. As far as protection, I guess I really don't have to worry about that so long as I am wearing the cowling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Bunny, do you think any of the Vaughn skates that you've tried would provide enough protection without a cowling? From what I remember of the various reviews I've read over the years I remember that they're not as stiff as today's composite skates but more than older skates like the 7000, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 On 3/3/2017 at 10:13 PM, SaveByRichter35 said: I've been on the same set of steel for, idk, at least 3 years now and there is still plenty of meat on them. I usually go a few months between sharpenings. I am definitely due for one now though, I meant to go this week. As far as protection, I guess I really don't have to worry about that so long as I am wearing the cowling. When I played junior hockey, that's when my sharpening habit went up. My trainer laughed at how dull my skates were!!!! My play improved immensely with the correct hollow. Of course I played wing as a junior. Twenty five years after the fact, I still sharpen every 4-6 hours on ice. Mind that it is really just a touch up on my steel, but I love a fresh edge. I get an asymmetrical edge, and I love a good bite on my inside edge. But with your habits, your skate will wear out before your steel does, and if that works for you, that's great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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