What is closest to Gnetik IV in Brian’s current lineup?

[Lucky Pucker]

Hey party people,

It’s been a minute. Had to check, but I hadn’t logged in since September (for shame!!! ) But what better way to return than to ask for help, amarite?

Slowly starting to do some research for a next set (even had the combo with the wife). I want to stay with Brian’s, but can’t figure out which of the 3 Pro options is closest to the Gnetik line (which I love and am used to). My initlal read is that all their pads are for “true butterfly” goalies…? That does not describe me at all - and it ain’t gonna get better with age - lol!

Appreciate any thoughts on this. Cheers !

Edited December 10, 2024 by Lucky Pucker

[coopaloop1234]

3 minutes ago, Lucky Pucker said:

 My initlal read is that all their pads are for “true butterfly” goalies…? That does not describe me at all - and it ain’t gonna get better with age - lol!

All goalies are butterfly goalies lolol

Iconik is what you're after. It's the new Gnetik line. 

Optik is still the stiffer line. 

Eclipse is just gloves and it's Brian's version of the 90 degree glove. 

[coopaloop1234]

@Lucky Pucker also, brians does it a bit different when it comes to the profiles and stiffness. 

Their Optik line (stiff) had a harsh bend to the pad to cater to more narrow butterfly's better, where the softer line will be straighter. 

So it's the complete opposite of every other manufacturer. 

[Lucky Pucker]

Well, fawq… that’s not intuitive!

I was thrown looking at them because I couldn’t see any outer breaks in them (like I have on mine). But maybe optik IS an option.

Gotta check break angles on the gloves though; don’t want to switch and get used to a new one again

Edited December 11, 2024 by Lucky Pucker

[coopaloop1234]

2 minutes ago, Lucky Pucker said:

We’ll, fawq… that’s not intuitive!

I was thrown looking at them because I couldn’t see any outer breaks in them (like I have on mine). But maybe optik IS an option.

Gotta check break angles on the gloves though; don’t want to switch and get used to a new one again

Iconik: 60 degree

Optik: 75 degree

Eclipse: 90 degree

Yea, the bend in the pads is hyper aggressive. I don't think they do that for softer flexes either. So if you want that bend, stiff is the way to go. 

Which you may end up liking.  

[ilyazhito]

1 hour ago, coopaloop1234 said:

Iconik: 60 degree

Optik: 75 degree

Eclipse: 90 degree

Yea, the bend in the pads is hyper aggressive. I don't think they do that for softer flexes either. So if you want that bend, stiff is the way to go. 

Which you may end up liking.  

That is very interesting. I love the Bauer rebounds, but I find it cool that the stiff Optik pads have an aggressive bend to them. I wonder how Optik rebounds stack up in comparison to Ultrasonic rebounds. 

[coopaloop1234]

7 minutes ago, ilyazhito said:

That is very interesting. I love the Bauer rebounds, but I find it cool that the stiff Optik pads have an aggressive bend to them. I wonder how Optik rebounds stack up in comparison to Ultrasonic rebounds. 

I'm not a Brian's guy, so I can't say. 

I'd imagine they perform just as well as most other brands with Bauer still being the King. 

[keeperton]

The MAX core Optiks have a pretty good rebound kick, but nothing is quite on the same level as the Bauer pop. The precurve, as state by others, on the "Stiff" Iconiks and the MAX core Optiks is pretty aggressive. I found it quite nice on the Optik 3s I got to demo, it looks about the same on the Optik 4s. The Optiks should have more kick on the rebounds than the Iconiks. It also looks like Brian's solved the bunching up of the Primo that used to occur on the Optik 3s at the knee, so that's also good.

I'm absolutely certain of a few things: you could order GNetikVs from Brian's (or even Heritage pads), you could order any of their pads with a break(s) in the outer rolls (though probably pretty pointless in Optik pads), their stiffer pads (of each line) still have decent play in the knee break.

If I had to get new pads right now I'd probably be getting MAX Optik 4s, but I also personally used to get rather stiff GNetik pads.

[Lucky Pucker]

17 minutes ago, keeperton said:

The MAX core Optiks have a pretty good rebound kick, but nothing is quite on the same level as the Bauer pop. The precurve, as state by others, on the "Stiff" Iconiks and the MAX core Optiks is pretty aggressive. I found it quite nice on the Optik 3s I got to demo, it looks about the same on the Optik 4s. The Optiks should have more kick on the rebounds than the Iconiks. It also looks like Brian's solved the bunching up of the Primo that used to occur on the Optik 3s at the knee, so that's also good.

I'm absolutely certain of a few things: you could order GNetikVs from Brian's (or even Heritage pads), you could order any of their pads with a break(s) in the outer rolls (though probably pretty pointless in Optik pads), their stiffer pads (of each line) still have decent play in the knee break.

If I had to get new pads right now I'd probably be getting MAX Optik 4s, but I also personally used to get rather stiff GNetik pads.

This is all very interesting - thanks for this, @keeperton! 

if going into their back catalogue, is there an up charge as compared to their current roster? 

[ser33]

9 hours ago, coopaloop1234 said:

Iconik: 60 degree

Optik: 75 degree

Eclipse: 90 degree

Yea, the bend in the pads is hyper aggressive. I don't think they do that for softer flexes either. So if you want that bend, stiff is the way to go. 

Which you may end up liking.  

let me correct you. Brians uses his own "angles" but they feel really close to what you described

Edited December 11, 2024 by ser33

[coopaloop1234]

10 hours ago, ser33 said:

let me correct you. Brians uses his own "angles" but they feel really close to what you described

haha, I know. Their website has them all listed out as well. 

Just easier to use the common naming convention than muddy up the waters. 

[johncho]

My buddy has the Optik3 I think? With the Z-curve and loves it. Found it a bit hard to skate in at first but when he goes down it looks like  _/^\_

I think it's a 33+1.5? PM me I think he'd let you try them to see if you wanted at one of his practices. 

[keeperton]

21 hours ago, Lucky Pucker said:

This is all very interesting - thanks for this, @keeperton! 

if going into their back catalogue, is there an up charge as compared to their current roster? 

Genuinely no idea, I can't imagine such, but I'd inquire with a shop of your choosing that deals with them.

[ser33]

14 hours ago, coopaloop1234 said:

haha, I know. Their website has them all listed out as well. 

Just easier to use the common naming convention than muddy up the waters. 

Brians has the most understandable, simple and reliable system for determining angles. unlike CCM/Lefevr. the problem is that people are used to this system and do not understand what Brians angles mean

[Nova]

On 12/11/2024 at 12:59 AM, ser33 said:

let me correct you. Brians uses his own "angles" but they feel really close to what you described

Am I losing my mind or was the Sub Zero/Optik line not 40 degree which should mean the Ikonic should be 35 degree if it is replacing G-Netik?

Though I did try on an Iconic at Pro Hockey Life, thought it felt really weird though compared to my G-Netik 2. A few years back when Brians went to smart strap I was contemplating ordering a new glove with intermediate internals to match my setup. But I don't think I've been able to try on anything from the G-Netik line since the Heritage gear lineup. Nobody around here carries Brian's at all. Glad I never pursued the idea, I hardly ever play anymore.

[coopaloop1234]

12 minutes ago, Nova said:

Am I losing my mind or was the Sub Zero/Optik line not 40 degree which should mean the Ikonic should be 35 degree if it is replacing G-Netik?

You ain't wrong:

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The all new Brian's Sub Zero 6.0 catch glove comes with a cool 40° closure to help make the glove feel more natural in your hand. Also added is a 360° cuff for a snug, custom fit. While incorporating a deep Single T Web to trap the puck once you close the glove. X-Static in finger stalls and palm for a more comfortable feel while still upholding the protection you expect.

https://www.hockeyworld.com/BRIAN-S-Sub-Zero-6-0-Catch-Glove-Sr?srsltid=AfmBOoorUABLr3cVpkehP2prFzqj28AgigPXxp8bB-jb2CQ1a2VkrFt0

So either the Eclipse is like the old Sub-Zero, or, they changed the naming of the angle instead. 

 

[ilyazhito]

Is the Eclipse a finger to palm style closure? I would prefer the descriptive terms (fingers to palm, fingers to thumb, or index to thumb) over the Lefebvre numbers. I would also appreciate some insight into how Brian's measures their angles.

 

The angles CCM and Lefebvre use are the 60 degree (baseball closure, thumb to index, 590), 75 degree (thumb to fingers, 600), or 90 degree (fingers to palm, 580).

 

[ser33]

11 hours ago, ilyazhito said:

Is the Eclipse a finger to palm style closure? I would prefer the descriptive terms (fingers to palm, fingers to thumb, or index to thumb) over the Lefebvre numbers. I would also appreciate some insight into how Brian's measures their angles.

 

The angles CCM and Lefebvre use are the 60 degree (baseball closure, thumb to index, 590), 75 degree (thumb to fingers, 600), or 90 degree (fingers to palm, 580).

 

Brian's measures their angles very simply - the break line in relation to the vertical line of the cuff. if my information is correct

[AdamL]

13 hours ago, ilyazhito said:

Is the Eclipse a finger to palm style closure? I would prefer the descriptive terms (fingers to palm, fingers to thumb, or index to thumb) over the Lefebvre numbers. I would also appreciate some insight into how Brian's measures their angles.

 

The angles CCM and Lefebvre use are the 60 degree (baseball closure, thumb to index, 590), 75 degree (thumb to fingers, 600), or 90 degree (fingers to palm, 580).

 

I've only tried on an Iconik and Optik3, but here's my take.  The Iconik is like a cross between a 590 and 600 in terms of break angle and closure on the hand.  It's not as pinchy (tip of index finger to tip of the thumb) as a 600/Supreme/Velocity glove, but also not as full hand/fingers to base of the thumb as a 590.  The Optik3 had a unique feel.  It definitely has a more upright break angle than the Iconik, like the break angle of a 590 but with the index to tip of the thumb closure of a 600.