SaveByRichter35 Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Has anyone ever had all of these skates in their hands or preferably on their feet that could give a good comparison as to how stiff the Grafs are when compared to the Bauer S/X lines and the True skates? I wanna try to get into a cowlingless skate but I've always had a hard time with how stiff modern boots are. Granted, anything is going to be stiff to me when coming from a Bauer Supreme 7000 boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichMan Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 I find that anything today with less or no cowling is very stiff compared to the old Supreme slippers. I'm really aching to try the DM series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 @maxtm30 @TGC-Rance @thebigm - anytime have feedback on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted February 3, 2019 Author Share Posted February 3, 2019 4 hours ago, RichMan said: I find that anything today with less or no cowling is very stiff compared to the old Supreme slippers. I'm really aching to try the DM series. Oh yea I know they're all going to be stiff when compared to my beautiful 7000s lol. I just know I would never be able to wear, or want to pay, for the True skates. I've held the Bauers but never had them on my feet. Hoped that the Grafs might be a little more forgiving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Maybe go custom? Order something like this with their new no cowling and the new toe cap ( if it changed? Don’t think it did ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted February 3, 2019 Author Share Posted February 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, TheGoalNet said: Maybe go custom? Order something like this with their new no cowling and the new toe cap ( if it changed? Don’t think it did ) Those look nice. I'll have to slide into Graf's dms haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebigm Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 16 hours ago, TheGoalNet said: @maxtm30 @TGC-Rance @thebigm - anytime have feedback on this? If you want a softer skate Graf will be the way to go. I spoke to Shawn who builds them and he is saying now skates are just getting too stiff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted February 3, 2019 Author Share Posted February 3, 2019 22 minutes ago, thebigm said: If you want a softer skate Graf will be the way to go. I spoke to Shawn who builds them and he is saying now skates are just getting too stiff! Yea you're telling me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chenner29 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 You can still order 750s as a custom from Graf. I’m not certain you can get Bauer 7000s, but I’ve seen a few custom pairs come out since 2010 with the Vertexx cowling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxtm30 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 18 hours ago, TheGoalNet said: @maxtm30 @TGC-Rance @thebigm - anytime have feedback on this? Our shop doesn't hold the Graf line. From my studies in mechanical engineering however, True and Bauer have much much more means to develop their custom tech, and in my opinion, True's tech and materials allow for a much better custom fit. Bauer gets the Curv comp, sheets from Propex, the company that developped Curv in the first place, so all of the skate quarters are produced in normalized size, so the skate's size is a full or half point, whatever is closest to your right/left foot. True skates do not have the performance advantages that the Bauers have, however the make the carbon weave themselves and mold it on a "3D printed footmold" (that might be wrong, it just seems the easiest way to go around the mold production from a 3D scan), so the size of the quarter is adapted to your foot. If you've had graf in the past, I'd go with True. The myBauer fit is exceptionnal, and they officially launch the custom goalie skates this summer with the 2X Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 On 2/3/2019 at 3:29 PM, Chenner29 said: You can still order 750s as a custom from Graf. I’m not certain you can get Bauer 7000s, but I’ve seen a few custom pairs come out since 2010 with the Vertexx cowling. I'd assume those wouldn't be safe to wear without a cowling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 1 hour ago, SaveByRichter35 said: I'd assume those wouldn't be safe to wear without a cowling? My understanding is that Bauer would NOT recommend an old model without the cowling. I belive Graf claims they’ve always had an over engineered toe cap and it’s fine without a cowling. Brent Woods works for Vaughn and shared this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, TheGoalNet said: My understanding is that Bauer would NOT recommend an old model without the cowling. I belive Graf claims they’ve always had an over engineered toe cap and it’s fine without a cowling. Brent Woods works for Vaughn and shared this Yea I meant the Grafs. I wouldn't wear the 7000s without a cowling lol. Not unless I sent them to Schroder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chenner29 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 2 hours ago, SaveByRichter35 said: I'd assume those wouldn't be safe to wear without a cowling? 750s, no. The 7500 utilized Curv composite right around the time Bauer bought the license, or something like that - it was pulled from retail relatively quickly and with little warning. So the 7500 could go cowlingless as evidenced by pics above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 25 minutes ago, Chenner29 said: 750s, no. The 7500 utilized Curv composite right around the time Bauer bought the license, or something like that - it was pulled from retail relatively quickly and with little warning. So the 7500 could go cowlingless as evidenced by pics above. So they're probably just as stiff as the Bauers then. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dstew29 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 @SaveByRichter35 those white goaler pros might be a happy medium. Looks like upper quarter panel is softer material with carbon fiber lower half. DMs are full carbon fiber quarter and are fairly stiff. Can’t personally compare to X or S Bauer lines but not a lot of give in the DM boot IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatCarGuy Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 My Graf Supra G4500 have never given me any problems with shots to the side of it. Plus the 4500 is a softer boot than others. The skates block seniors slap shots from the top of the circles like they're wrist shots from 12U house league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffy Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 I understand the 4500 to be quite similar to the 750. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatCarGuy Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 They do like quite similar. I have only used the 4500 and the 5500 though. But obviously the Supras are better because they have neon yellow cowlings. Also here's a thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadAngle41 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 @SaveByRichter35I can't imagine that 1080s aren't stiff. I mean breaking in 750s was certainly a process given how stiff they were and that was just layers of leather and a mess of stitching. Which is also why they wore so well. I ended up throwing Vertexx holders to my 750s... pitch between the 750s and Bauers was similar and felt comfy. Assuming DM1080 has the same pitch no reason you couldn't just buy the boot and either do the same or slap on a Vertexx Edge holder like @TheGoalNet posted above. I later became a convert to cowlingless in S190s. The main difference I felt between S190s and 750s w/ Vertexx (besides weight) was that there was more flex at the attachment points from boot to holder in the Grafs. I didn't get that same solid feel or energy transfer but the Vertexx holders were a good transition for me from Graf w/ Cobra Cowling to S190 Cowlingless (for both change in attack angle and steel width.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyledjean Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 I went from grafs back in 04 to bauer vapers 2018 model. I find that they don't seem to hold an edge at all. I used to use 3/8 now i went to 1/4 and I still feel like there isn't enough bite anymore. Did they change the type of steel between this time frame? Has anyone else noticed this at all? I also despise the blade holder as I can always feel the blade move slightly as a rock my foot. If I had the money I would switch back to grafs instantly myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estogoalie Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 On 2/3/2019 at 3:09 AM, TheGoalNet said: Maybe go custom? Order something like this with their new no cowling and the new toe cap ( if it changed? Don’t think it did ) "Retro"? I'm still wearing G50's, LOL. Ok, I mounted them on a newer cowling with Step Steel, but anyway. Yea, classic Graf slippers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatCarGuy Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 I recently upgraded to Brian Elliott pro return VH skates. They are much stiffer and much lower volume than either the 4500 or the 5500. Basically they're exactly what I was looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 3 hours ago, estogoalie said: "Retro"? I'm still wearing G50's, LOL. Ok, I mounted them on a newer cowling with Step Steel, but anyway. Yea, classic Graf slippers. According Vaughn / Graf, it's safe to mount these on a now cowling holder. Could be an option for your next skate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max27 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 I saw true skates in person the other day. holy fuck, theyre rock hard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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