bunnyman666 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 13 hours ago, SaveByRichter35 said: Fine with me. I don't think pads need to be 11" anymore either. I'd be fine with a 10" pad. The game now requires a slimmer pad. I tried playing the modern game with a 12" pad and it was cumbersome. I am not certain about a 10" pad, but then again, I would surmise that most people would not tell much of a difference if they had a 10" pad and did not know it. I imagine most pads are nowhere near 11" wide out of the factory. My glove? You had better believe I want the MAX I can use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 In my opinion, I think you're being a bit too logical. Most people assume their pads are 11" and would disappointed to learn they we are giving up the width of a puck by buying a 10.5" pair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Well according to the measurements on those Warrior and Bauers its already happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopaloop1234 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Just tossing in my own pics to the fray. Just shy of 10-3/4" wide. Curious to see if Vaughn/CCM are in the same boat as Warrior/Bauer. How many of the big players are actually maxing out the allotted size on retail pad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I'll check my Vaughns when I get home. Edit - sorry for the delay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 41 minutes ago, coopaloop1234 said: Just tossing in my own pics to the fray. Just shy of 10-3/4" wide. Curious to see if Vaughn/CCM are in the same boat as Warrior/Bauer. How many of the big players are actually maxing out the allotted size on retail pad? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Boy has this thread gone way off topic, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostender Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 First I guess I'm in the minority here but I agree, I'd rather have a 10.5 " pad than a 12 or even 11.5. And I really think you're really stretching if you ever try to blame a goal against on a 1/4" difference in pad width. I think we have to be a bit more pragmatic here though. This is not a piece of steel we're machining here where you can say it will be 11" wide and can guarantee that to +/-0.001". Don't forget the rule says 11" MAX. I suspect because of things like material shrink/stretch variability between lots, foam packing variations, stretch/slough over time , even thread stretch etc, etc, that the tolerance on pads is not an easy number to nail down. That 1/4" under is probably there for a reason. I'm sure the last thing a manufacturer wants is to have some recall because their pads are all coming out 1/8" too wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopaloop1234 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, Ghostender said: First I guess I'm in the minority here but I agree, I'd rather have a 10.5 " pad than a 12 or even 11.5. And I really think you're really stretching if you ever try to blame a goal against on a 1/4" difference in pad width. I think we have to be a bit more pragmatic here though. This is not a piece of steel we're machining here where you can say it will be 11" wide and can guarantee that to +/-0.001". Don't forget the rule says 11" MAX. I suspect because of things like material shrink/stretch variability between lots, foam packing variations, stretch/slough over time , even thread stretch etc, etc, that the tolerance on pads is not an easy number to nail down. That 1/4" under is probably there for a reason. I'm sure the last thing a manufacturer wants is to have some recall because their pads are all coming out 1/8" too wide. First of all, don't underestimate my ability to blame anything but myself for a goal against. As well, as much as I know where you're coming from with the second part of your comment. Aside from the pros (College/CHL -> NHL). I doubt that pads being a smidgen larger will lead to a recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostender Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Agreed – “recall” was probably not the best term to use. I would assume they monitor the pro stuff pretty closely, but then it’s probably pretty close to the definition of one-off custom, so they can take the extra time to get it bang on. With larger production runs, they probably hedge their bets with a slightly smaller pad width to allow a greater margin before the system, as the process statistical analysis people would say “goes out of control” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 17 hours ago, Ghostender said: Agreed – “recall” was probably not the best term to use. I would assume they monitor the pro stuff pretty closely, but then it’s probably pretty close to the definition of one-off custom, so they can take the extra time to get it bang on. With larger production runs, they probably hedge their bets with a slightly smaller pad width to allow a greater margin before the system, as the process statistical analysis people would say “goes out of control” And a bit less foam saves money!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopaloop1234 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 17 hours ago, Ghostender said: Agreed – “recall” was probably not the best term to use. I would assume they monitor the pro stuff pretty closely, but then it’s probably pretty close to the definition of one-off custom, so they can take the extra time to get it bang on. With larger production runs, they probably hedge their bets with a slightly smaller pad width to allow a greater margin before the system, as the process statistical analysis people would say “goes out of control” I was just being nitpicky haha. But you're definitely right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 17 hours ago, Ghostender said: Agreed – “recall” was probably not the best term to use. I would assume they monitor the pro stuff pretty closely, but then it’s probably pretty close to the definition of one-off custom, so they can take the extra time to get it bang on. With larger production runs, they probably hedge their bets with a slightly smaller pad width to allow a greater margin before the system, as the process statistical analysis people would say “goes out of control” That's a very rationale point and could definitely play into it. The 2 pads in question are both mass produced off shore. As a retail consumer, we never think about the manufacturability of our gear. My inner skeptic still questions if help cheats with the weight though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopaloop1234 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 hour ago, TheGoalNet said: My inner skeptic still questions if help cheats with the weight though That's a good call actually. Taking off a 1/4" to save a few ounces to be able to say you have the lightest pad on the market? It's a pretty low risk/high reward in a marketing/sales mindset. Your customers won't notice, hell, we're all gear heads and this is all new info to us, and you get the huge benefit to reel in sales based upon a very highly marketable feature. While some may see it as scummy, I think it's pretty intelligent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 hour ago, coopaloop1234 said: That's a good call actually. Taking off a 1/4" to save a few ounces to be able to say you have the lightest pad on the market? It's a pretty low risk/high reward in a marketing/sales mindset. Your customers won't notice, hell, we're all gear heads and this is all new info to us, and you get the huge benefit to reel in sales based upon a very highly marketable feature. While some may see it as scummy, I think it's pretty intelligent. well explained Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raucebyalien Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I had some snr-level Vaughn V3 SLW's back in 2011 and out of the box they were between 10" - 10.5" in width. Assumed at the time that they did it to ensure that mass produced pads were 'definitely' under the 11" accounting for any slight variations in the factories, or as someone else said how they'd eventually settle. Coming from full 12" V1's though, I remember them seeming terrifyingly slim! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted September 23, 2017 Author Share Posted September 23, 2017 In Optik news, Halak using BOA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Isn't it stock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punisher Goalie Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 22 hours ago, TheGoalNet said: In Optik news, Halak using BOA Is it just the resolution or is that a Tacki Mac grip?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brians_Joz Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 On 9/23/2017 at 11:04 AM, SaveByRichter35 said: Isn't it stock? Yes - virtually all our pro's are using the BOA and loving it... Lehner, Halak, Mason, Anderson, Darling, Raanta, Langhamer, Demko, O'Connor, Sparks, Kaskisuo, Dell, Delia, Dekanich, Lack, Hellberg, Shestyorkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopaloop1234 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 19 minutes ago, Brians_Joz said: Yes - virtually all our pro's are using the BOA and loving it... Lehner, Halak, Mason, Anderson, Darling, Raanta, Langhamer, Demko, O'Connor, Sparks, Kaskisuo, Dell, Delia, Dekanich, Lack, Hellberg, Shestyorkin http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=name dropper I kid of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted September 26, 2017 Author Share Posted September 26, 2017 On 9/23/2017 at 10:04 AM, SaveByRichter35 said: Isn't it stock? To clearify my point, there's lots of "Stock" options that Pros discard. That Y shaped T on the original Velo comes to mind. It was a radical new designs that didn't stick I was posting Halak to show that pros are using the BOA and it's gained acceptance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brians_Joz Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, TheGoalNet said: To clearify my point, there's lots of "Stock" options that Pros discard. That Y shaped T on the original Velo comes to mind. It was a radical new designs that didn't stick I was posting Halak to show that pros are using the BOA and it's gained acceptance Our goal was to come up with a line that is game ready and able to use at all levels and not be overbuilt for younger goalies or beer league goalies but also not underbuilt for pro/college goalies.. Sometimes tough to find the happy medium but believe we finally achieved that... the boa and the other innovations on the optik line is also an extension of that.. we didn't want a 'gimmick' that wouldn't prove useful at the highest levels, if the guys weren't going to use it we weren't going to invest the time/money into it.. the BOA stays tight and keeps their hand in control... its a huge upgrade from former Brian's glove set ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPv6Freely Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 57 minutes ago, TheGoalNet said: To clearify my point, there's lots of "Stock" options that Pros discard. That Y shaped T on the original Velo comes to mind. It was a radical new designs that didn't stick I was posting Halak to show that pros are using the BOA and it's gained acceptance To go along with this, it's nice to see pro goalies finally embracing the smart straps (and the other versions of the same idea by other companies). Seems the traditional toe ties are going to be the last thing to go, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 1 hour ago, TheGoalNet said: To clearify my point, there's lots of "Stock" options that Pros discard. That Y shaped T on the original Velo comes to mind. It was a radical new designs that didn't stick I was posting Halak to show that pros are using the BOA and it's gained acceptance Gotcha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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