Puckstopper Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Sure. There is lots to like about both lines of pads and at the end of the day for me it came down to a few small details: The Genetik pads are slightly thinner at the top than the Vaughns. I've really liked the way the ultra thin thigh rises on my Warrior G5's don't get caught on each other, so thin pad tops tend to catch my eye. I liked the strapping on the Gnetik IV better than the strapping on the V9 with one big exception: The professor strap on the Vaughn pads is the best implementation of that type of strap on the market. If you want to use a professor strap, go Vaughn and don't look back. My favorite catch glove of the last 15 years has been a Vaughn VE8 Pro Carbon 2 piece. The V9 PC is basically the same glove with upgraded palm padding, so I get where you're coming from loving that glove. However, the G-IV we got in to the store I work at was better. The break felt really similar, it was literally game ready out of the shipping bag, and the BOA system is fantastic at letting you dial in the fit of the glove! The Genetik IV glove feels nothing like the earlier Genetik gloves and IMHO is a vast improvement on them. Either way you go here you'll end up with a glove that feels pretty similar on the hand and is one of the easiest gloves to catch with on the market (if you like a baseball glove feel at least). Regardless of which model you pick you'll end up with a really high quality product, so you just have to decide which one fits your game best and enjoy! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamL Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Puckstopper said: Sure. There is lots to like about both lines of pads and at the end of the day for me it came down to a few small details: The Genetik pads are slightly thinner at the top than the Vaughns. I've really liked the way the ultra thin thigh rises on my Warrior G5's don't get caught on each other, so thin pad tops tend to catch my eye. I liked the strapping on the Gnetik IV better than the strapping on the V9 with one big exception: The professor strap on the Vaughn pads is the best implementation of that type of strap on the market. If you want to use a professor strap, go Vaughn and don't look back. My favorite catch glove of the last 15 years has been a Vaughn VE8 Pro Carbon 2 piece. The V9 PC is basically the same glove with upgraded palm padding, so I get where you're coming from loving that glove. However, the G-IV we got in to the store I work at was better. The break felt really similar, it was literally game ready out of the shipping bag, and the BOA system is fantastic at letting you dial in the fit of the glove! The Genetik IV glove feels nothing like the earlier Genetik gloves and IMHO is a vast improvement on them. Either way you go here you'll end up with a glove that feels pretty similar on the hand and is one of the easiest gloves to catch with on the market (if you like a baseball glove feel at least). Regardless of which model you pick you'll end up with a really high quality product, so you just have to decide which one fits your game best and enjoy! Thanks @Puckstopper, that’s hugely helpful. I would plan to use a professor strap if I go with the V9s, but to switch to the SLR2 style strap with the single piece of elastic and the magnetic clip. That’s at least in part because I find the elastic a pain to loop through once the pad is up on my leg, but also because the two layers of thick elastic made the pad actually feel too tight. Dennis said I could either add an inch to the V9 style strap or switch to the SLR2 style - can’t really go wrong either way. My biggest concern with the GIVs is that they appear to be a fairly loose-fitting pad, which seems odd IMO for a flexible pad. I’d be looking to do something to get that more connected feel, like adding Brian’s version of the professor strap, adding their optional calf straps, or even doing the full Optik 2 leg channel if that’s possible, since I also really like the calf pillow on the V9s. Like you said, though, either way I’ll be getting a great product and one that will no doubt be a big improvement over what I have now. The GIVs definitely win on looks, maybe that should be the tiebreaker. Look good, feel good, play good...or something like that. Edited December 21, 2020 by AdamL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeperton Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 On 12/21/2020 at 1:14 PM, AdamL said: Thanks @Puckstopper, that’s hugely helpful. I would plan to use a professor strap if I go with the V9s, but to switch to the SLR2 style strap with the single piece of elastic and the magnetic clip. That’s at least in part because I find the elastic a pain to loop through once the pad is up on my leg, but also because the two layers of thick elastic made the pad actually feel too tight. Dennis said I could either add an inch to the V9 style strap or switch to the SLR2 style - can’t really go wrong either way. My biggest concern with the GIVs is that they appear to be a fairly loose-fitting pad, which seems odd IMO for a flexible pad. I’d be looking to do something to get that more connected feel, like adding Brian’s version of the professor strap, adding their optional calf straps, or even doing the full Optik 2 leg channel if that’s possible, since I also really like the calf pillow on the V9s. Like you said, though, either way I’ll be getting a great product and one that will no doubt be a big improvement over what I have now. The GIVs definitely win on looks, maybe that should be the tiebreaker. Look good, feel good, play good...or something like that. The strapping does come on kind of loose on the GIV, but you can crank it down quite a bit if you really want to. You can also get an additional strap right below the calf if you really want, as well as one above that I don't really recommend because it seems kind of pointless. I have used the below-calf strap for awhile, I like it but am considering removing it as a test for my foot dropping a little better. Legitimately my only complaint on the GIV is the seal on the butterfly. I cannot get the tops of the pad to stop coming up slightly when I drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamL Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 On 12/21/2020 at 10:09 PM, keeperton said: The strapping does come on kind of loose on the GIV, but you can crank it down quite a bit if you really want to. You can also get an additional strap right below the calf if you really want, as well as one above that I don't really recommend because it seems kind of pointless. I have used the below-calf strap for awhile, I like it but am considering removing it as a test for my foot dropping a little better. Legitimately my only complaint on the GIV is the seal on the butterfly. I cannot get the tops of the pad to stop coming up slightly when I drop. Wish I could easily take this quote and reply in the G-IV thread. Anyway. I’d understand if the front was popping up some in the RVH - most pads do that to some degree - but to hear you say they’re not sealing properly in the butterfly is a bit of a reg flag with regard to longevity IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raucebyalien Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Back onto gear sitings, albeit KHL ones, here the first True-branded retro setup I've seen: (Julius Hudacek, Spartak Moscow) 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamL Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Those look fantastic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopaloop1234 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 I'm still an advocate that colour has no place on retro tan gear. These aren't so bad, but the ones that have them intertwined into the face of the pad just looks awful. EX: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubby34 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 On 12/20/2020 at 2:48 PM, Hockeytown0001 said: Daveart is a terrible artist and I don't think I've liked any of his designs, no matter how many fancy made up technical terms he throws at his posts. Dear god are his masks terrible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopaloop1234 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, tubby34 said: Daveart is a terrible artist and I don't think I've liked any of his designs, no matter how many fancy made up technical terms he throws at his posts. Dear god are his masks terrible. Dude is super talented. It's too bad that he wants to show off as much as possible and that muddies up his designs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nohtaram Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 minute ago, coopaloop1234 said: Dude is super talented. It's too bad that he wants to show off as much as possible and that muddies up his designs. You can still find simpler designs from time to time. The 'fancy made up technical terms' as Tubby described may be ridiculous but the amount of details he put on his mask and how sharp those graphics are is just mind blowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeperton Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 8 hours ago, AdamL said: Wish I could easily take this quote and reply in the G-IV thread. Anyway. I’d understand if the front was popping up some in the RVH - most pads do that to some degree - but to hear you say they’re not sealing properly in the butterfly is a bit of a reg flag with regard to longevity IMO. I honestly think it's because I got the boot cut to 80 instead of the normal 84 here. It's so minute, but it's enough for me to want to get a something like a MAX core Optik/SLR, or something comparable "next" time. I still love the pads though, the stability when down is great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamL Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 14 hours ago, keeperton said: I honestly think it's because I got the boot cut to 80 instead of the normal 84 here. It's so minute, but it's enough for me to want to get a something like a MAX core Optik/SLR, or something comparable "next" time. I still love the pads though, the stability when down is great. I wonder if doing the 84* boot and going with a 2 in the knee instead of a 3 would keep the pad more upright and rigid through the top enough to mostly or completely eliminate that. I'm nearly 100% sure the G-Netik IVs would work great for me, it's just tough when I can't get my hands on a set in person and I know I'd be comfortable in the V9s after trying on a set of the senior versions in store. I submitted an order for a V9 set for quote through the dealer I've been working with, but when I mentioned I was deciding between the V9 and G-Netik IV, he warned me to be prepared for most of those little tweaks to cost something - he wasn't sure how much. "Typical Vaughn", I guess. He encouraged me to go with the G-Netik IV just based on that, but said he'd submit the quote to see how it comes out. Still a good chance I go with the G-IVs. Thanks for your input! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeperton Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 5 hours ago, AdamL said: I wonder if doing the 84* boot and going with a 2 in the knee instead of a 3 would keep the pad more upright and rigid through the top enough to mostly or completely eliminate that. I'm nearly 100% sure the G-Netik IVs would work great for me, it's just tough when I can't get my hands on a set in person and I know I'd be comfortable in the V9s after trying on a set of the senior versions in store. I submitted an order for a V9 set for quote through the dealer I've been working with, but when I mentioned I was deciding between the V9 and G-Netik IV, he warned me to be prepared for most of those little tweaks to cost something - he wasn't sure how much. "Typical Vaughn", I guess. He encouraged me to go with the G-Netik IV just based on that, but said he'd submit the quote to see how it comes out. Still a good chance I go with the G-IVs. Thanks for your input! I think it likely would help overall. I would do exactly that if I were to do it again on my GIVs. I think Vaughn makes a great product, but they definitely will price gouge a bit for small things. I adore how thin the profile of the GIVs is. I have no hands-on with the V9s, but doubt anything is wrong with them overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southpawtendy48 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Dostal’s full setup for the Ducks 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nohtaram Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 That looks quite nice actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naz Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 On 12/22/2020 at 11:40 AM, Nohtaram said: You can still find simpler designs from time to time. The 'fancy made up technical terms' as Tubby described may be ridiculous but the amount of details his assembly line team of painters put on his mask and how sharp those graphics are is just mind blowing. Fixed that for ya. DaveBarf template: Team logo coming off corner of the cage window. Team city or name written down the centre of forehead. Number or nickname on chin of mask. Clutter up the rest of the mask with little details/"effects". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nohtaram Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Naz said: Fixed that for ya. DaveBarf template: Team logo coming off corner of the cage window. Team city or name written down the centre of forehead. Number or nickname on chin of mask. Clutter up the rest of the mask with little details/"effects". Nevertheless I love masks that came from his studio. It's obvious that he can't do anything by himself just based on how much buckets left 'painting barn' each week. And another thing is that all that details his team put on masks now instead of Dave himself is what made him the most recognizable painter in goalie industry. Before he was able to hire all of them. So if I could afford his service or be pro in any league he supports I wouldn't think twice. Edited December 27, 2020 by Nohtaram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTH Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 19 hours ago, Nohtaram said: Nevertheless I love masks that came from his studio. It's obvious that he can't do anything by himself just based on how much buckets left 'painting barn' each week. And another thing is that all that details his team put on masks now instead of Dave himself is what made him the most recognizable painter in goalie industry. Before he was able to hire all of them. So if I could afford his service or be pro in any league he supports I wouldn't think twice. Sadly, with a 70" HD tv and all, his masks still look like a blur of colors on tv. I guess it's cool to be too cool to be seen by fans. Maybe hip? Then again... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonder35 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) I recall Greg Harrison telling me that fans at least 20 rows up (his actual words were “those sitting in the Reds”, the second section of seats in MLG, above the Golds) should be able to identify his mask designs. At the time he was attaching a trout fishing fly to the backplate strap of Glen Hanlon’s newest mask. Hanlon was an avid angler so this hook was an in joke that the public wouldn’t be able to notice. Edited December 28, 2020 by Wonder35 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southpawtendy48 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 In contrast to Dave’s masks, here’s an actual good one for Carter Hutton this season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FriarGoalie35 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Cal Petersen’s Reverse Retro mask (per his Twitter) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTH Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Going with the rebar center bar... not messing around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTH Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, southpawtendy48 said: In contrast to Dave’s masks, here’s an actual good one for Carter Hutton this season Tom Draper did it better: Art School Matt Here... The thing with the current masks is the fear of hard transitions between colors. The artists wash the edges too much with the use of lighter colors to blend the edge. These artists need to be more bold and not fear a hard transition. It's a mask, not a Bob Ross landscape. Edited December 29, 2020 by MTH 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colander Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) @MTH: I hear he passed on the train rail... Edited December 29, 2020 by Colander 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caument60 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Jonathan Bernier's new True pads as seen on his Instagram: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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