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1 minute ago, coopaloop1234 said:

I've been using the Quick curve for ever. I'm never one for sailing the puck, but I'm very consistent with tape to tape passes along the ice inside my own zone.

Just picked up a Wedge curve, so once my current stick backs out, I'll be giving a different curve for the first time in 5 years.

Wedge is Mrazek.  That's what I have been using for a while until @seagoal hooked me up with a Bishop/twist.

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Just now, SaveByRichter35 said:

Wedge is Mrazek.  That's what I have been using for a while until @seagoal hooked me up with a Bishop/twist.

Yea I know. I just hate typing out Mrazek.

I'm looking forward to it. We'll be able to see if my ability to sauce the biscuit is stick related or skill related. I have this good feeling that it's due to my own incompetence.

Though, if I just worked on my skills instead of always thinking it's gear related, I wouldn't be a goalie.

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8 minutes ago, coopaloop1234 said:

Yea I know. I just hate typing out Mrazek.

I'm looking forward to it. We'll be able to see if my ability to sauce the biscuit is stick related or skill related. I have this good feeling that it's due to my own incompetence.

Though, if I just worked on my skills instead of always thinking it's gear related, I wouldn't be a goalie.

Oh its definitely not the gear.

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6 minutes ago, SaveByRichter35 said:

I don't recall anything ever going up and over me into the net if that's what you mean.

Yeah, basically anytime the puck gains elevation after contact.  It mostly happens if the stick is touching the ice too far in front of our skates, but I figured the more wedgey the curve of the stick the more likely it will be to ramp up.

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1 minute ago, seagoal said:

Yeah, basically anytime the picks gains elevation after contact.  It mostly happens if the stick is touching the ice too far in front of our skates, but I figured the more wedgey the curve of the stick the more likely it will be to ramp up.

I ramp it up to the glass/corners but never into the net.

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10 minutes ago, seagoal said:

Yeah, basically anytime the puck gains elevation after contact.  It mostly happens if the stick is touching the ice too far in front of our skates, but I figured the more wedgey the curve of the stick the more likely it will be to ramp up.

Apologies if I'm reading this wrong, but we should not be directing pucks with the curved portion of the blade.

Proper technique is to have the puck hit the flat part where the paddle meets the blade.  You want to position the stick with a slight backward angle to encourage puck elevation.  We shouldn't be jabbing at the puck either, accept it, ramp it into the glass and reset.

A few reasons why -

  • Maximizes energy transfer so you can cleanly direct it into/over the glass (blocker arm should be strong on the stick to minimize energy loss on impact)
  • Minimizes bad puck luck with an unlucky bounce off the blade or twisting the stick on a hard enough shot.  You have most torque/control/influence of your stick directly under your grip and less so as the point of impact moves further out towards the toe of the blade.
  • More consistency taking it off the flat part when compared to shots off the curve
  • Encourages good head/eye tracking so you are tracking down on the puck
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3 minutes ago, Chenner29 said:

Apologies if I'm reading this wrong, but we should not be directing pucks with the curved portion of the blade.

Proper technique is to have the puck hit the flat part where the paddle meets the blade.  You want to position the stick with a slight backward angle to encourage puck elevation.  We shouldn't be jabbing at the puck either, accept it, ramp it into the glass and reset.

A few reasons why -

  • Maximizes energy transfer so you can cleanly direct it into/over the glass (blocker arm should be strong on the stick to minimize energy loss on impact)
  • Minimizes bad puck luck with an unlucky bounce off the blade or twisting the stick on a hard enough shot.  You have most torque/control/influence of your stick directly under your grip and less so as the point of impact moves further out towards the toe of the blade.
  • More consistency taking it off the flat part when compared to shots off the curve
  • Encourages good head/eye tracking so you are tracking down on the puck

No worries.

I think you're talking about intentional redirections off to the sides. 

What I meant by a ramp-up was unintentional elevation gains after executing a save poorly.  Think a low shot, symmetrical butterfly with stick in front.....oops.  What should have been an easy stick save + cover ended up being a mistake because it ramped-up, potentially into a goal. 

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Just now, seagoal said:

No worries.

I think you're talking about intentional redirections off to the sides. 

What I meant by a ramp-up was unintentional elevation gains after executing a save poorly.  Think a low shot, symmetrical butterfly with stick in front.....oops.  What should have been an easy stick save + cover ended up being a mistake because it ramped-up, potentially into a goal. 

Oh yes, ramp ups happen all the time with sloppy stick positioning with any stick IMO, and I can see how a wedge curve is particularly problematic

Body discipline has more to do with it than stick pattern. 

Older butterfly save technique was to drop down with your shoulders in line with your hips and knees to eliminate vertical space.  This has the unintentional side effect of encouraging the goalie to play on their heels, which in turn encourages stick shots to ramp up.

The idea these days is to get some forward lean in the hips, gloves forward, eyes and shoulders down over the puck to eliminate ramp ups.  Profile from the side should look like a wave cresting over the puck

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Trip report – I've ended doing a cheap experiment which was to get a couple of the new lower end V2E+ sticks, one with a Mrazek and one with a Bishop curve.

I've found that the Bishop (for me) is easier to play the puck with as I have a bit of a pull > push motion with the stick as I pull the pull the puck into the curve before shooting so the bit of extra curve of the toe seems to help with that compared to the more open face on the Mrazek.

Now to work out if I prefer the M1 or V2 line of sticks... 😂 😂

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On 7/19/2021 at 6:39 AM, Zip said:

Trip report – I've ended doing a cheap experiment which was to get a couple of the new lower end V2E+ sticks, one with a Mrazek and one with a Bishop curve.

I've found that the Bishop (for me) is easier to play the puck with as I have a bit of a pull > push motion with the stick as I pull the pull the puck into the curve before shooting so the bit of extra curve of the toe seems to help with that compared to the more open face on the Mrazek.

Now to work out if I prefer the M1 or V2 line of sticks... 😂 😂

I've still yet to try an M stick.

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