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  1. I have a feeling that, at some point, history will look back on social media as one of the greatest mistakes we ever made as a species. It can be used for good purposes, and if you heavily curate your profiles you can avoid a lot of the shit that goes on, but most people don't do that.
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  2. I had 3 bags of popcorn reading this thread with Land O Lakes butter.
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  3. "The world has become too fragile" How fitting this thread title had become.
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  4. Just decades? You should probably brush up on your history a bit. I'm not being obtuse, I'm just trying to make sense of the ever changing ruleset of what's allowed and what isn't allowed. My confusion can't come from the arbitrary ruleset in place that's malleable based solely upon a person's colour of their skin. You know, like racists do. It's weird that my viewpoint that there shouldn't be racial divides is being held as a shitty belief system. The past oppression of people should have zero impact on being able to use art styles, but apparently I'm wrong because dwelling on the past and not moving forward is apparently a healthy attitude. But I am glad you chimed in. When the peanut gallery get's involved is my favourite. Especially when it comes as their own expense for overreacting to a small joke. "I didn't understand you were kidding at the beginning so now I'm going to double down on my ignorance." C'mon man. It was clear from the start he was kidding. Not his fault you misinterpreted it.
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  5. What I’ve learned or already knew from this thread. Holtby is a decent human being. A better one than me. Social media is a complete cesspool. I refuse to join it unless this is considered social media. Is it? Asking for a friend. Maybe the real solution is to “cancel” social media? Think about it. Since we touched on music I’m thinking about John Lennon’s Imagine. Rewrite it for today “Imagine there’s no Twitter no Facebook too... It’s easy if you try imagine all the people you wouldn’t hate..... (Original line) no wars looks like wars are encouraged on social media though it claims to bring folks together. I believe it does more to divide. But sadly too many folks live or die with it they think it’s their personal stage.
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  6. I can't speak to the other manufacturers. In my mid 50's a whole new world of playing hockey opened up to me. The Local Seniors Hockey Club was a 55+ team. My gear was OK, mainly Vaughn from the mid 90's. I used this stuff for quite a few years. Like yourself I am a stand-up, double pad stacks sort of goalie. Admittedly, I have learned much from the play on your knees style of goaltending. Disclosure, I was born in 1949, been a goalie for most of those years. But I never had gear that fitted me and my style of play. John Brown was not real keen to make me a set of streamlined goalie pants. John loves his pants big and bulky, most smart goalies do. Give the man credit, did a helluva job on those pants, perfect match for my BROWN pads, gloves and CA. I wanted a CA with short arms. The cuffs on my gloves cover a lot of forearm so I asked John to give me an abbreviated arm length, more mobility methinks . Cash paying customer won that round too (sure did, I got more arm numbing stingers in those areas). So all in all, I got what I wanted, (should've listened to Mr. Brown on a couple of things). I am 5'7" on a good day, 160sh with a 12 year old "new" hip and fresh right knee-almost 3 years now. I am not John's target market, but the man makes anything you want and works with you. He's been in the business since the early 70's and is the person you deal with when ordering new gear. A whole whack of goalies would be surprised to learn how many KHL Goaltenders and many others playing for various European Pro Leagues wear BROWN gear, especially C/A's I am not a paid employee of Brown Sports. Just give him a look. Merry Christmas to my fellow 'tenders, or whatever the appropriate greeting should be in your culture, seriously.
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  7. I agree that using history as the measure of the present or, even worse, the future is a non-starter. That we feel compelled to perpetuate the obvious differences between human beings through whatever means we can is precisely the stumbling point. The goal, as I see it, is to have zero racial, social, and culture pejoratives concentric with total celebration of racial, social, and cultural norms on the Venn diagram. Bluntly put: No one sees race, and everyone can openly and freely celebrate their differences without negative consequence. This may seem lofty and, to some folks too idealistic, but it is really the only goal that is completely inclusive. If anyone believes that eliminating racial division is inextricable from cultural genocide, I would implore them to think a bit harder about how they would improve upon the current state of affairs.
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  8. Man are you ever riled up about not being able to take a joke. lol I've touched on the arguments you've listed, at this point conversing with you isn't really a discussion as it's clear you're more interested in getting on me instead.
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  9. Calm down, I'm joking...just thought it was funny how many confused faces I saw under posts 😂. How am I keeping score? I just make a little comment because I saw that and I thought it was a funny. Don't take everything so seriously.
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  10. A couple things here folks. I've been monitoring this thread for a little bit. I don't mean this as a threat, as you've all been keeping it more or less on the civil side of things. Let's make sure it stays that way. Second thing is my contribution to this discussion - The first thing that came to my mind when this news broke was to compare it to non-native speakers/readers asking tattoo artists for work featuring Chinese or Japanese lettering/characters. It was kind of a big trend a little while ago, I don't know if it's still a thing. I think we've all seen the LOL threads on Reddit or elsewhere of someone meaning to put something like "Warrior" in Japanese and getting "Hamburger" instead. In fact, I've googled a quick-hits list. As an Asian-American (although admittedly, I am very westernized), I do not feel like my culture has been "appropriated" in these instances - but it does underscore an importance to check with someone before committing anything to ink/paint/print. I do not know anything about First Nations culture. But I can imagine scenarios where DaveArt unwittingly corrupts an important image because he did not run it by anyone. As an example, I didn't know it was a sin in certain sub-sects of Islam to depict the prophet Muhammad...until I watched that episode of South Park. Now imagine if that level of mistake was made at the NHL level...what a PR nightmare And a little levity - The last time that I can recall people flipping out about a goalie mask was Bryzgalov's Star Wars mask in Philly. Yoda had an orange lightsaber until fans saw it and LucasFilm found out. https://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2013/3/4/4063392/ilya-bryzgalov-star-wars-mask-lightsaber-flyers
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  11. yeah! That was a line of sports action figures I had as a kid! They used them for ornaments! That is so cool! https://startinglineupfigures.com/nhl-hockey/
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  12. Who else has some awesome goalie ornaments up on their tree? These are my favorites
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  13. @HP29 Call em as I see em. Butl Let’s ALL try and remember we are a community. A community that loves all things goalie. Goalie gear, masks , strapping techniques (porn in any other message board IMO) , stories about games won and lost. Hoarding old gear.... etc Point being our differences fail in comparison to what we all agree on. So let’s all try and focus on that. That’s what will continue to make this board great for us. I’d rather the convo go back to bitching about graphics on new gear. And topics like that. Let’s not beat each other up. The world has done that for us, enough.
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  14. @HP29 Easy Friend, easy.... Don’t let it bother you. You can react to all posts as you see fit using the systems of this websites. What’s concerning to me is someone is keeping score and calling you on it. Not cool....
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  15. "Cancelling" is a combination of social ostracization and professional consequences. Someone has to meet both criteria on some level, however small, to be "cancelled". Holtby has not, and will not, suffer in his career for this. He just won't. It's not a big deal, nobody is ever going to say "you know, I'd sign/trade for Holtby, but that whole mask thing, yeesh..." So, on that alone, Holtby is not being cancelled. Social ostracization though, requires widespread participation. It has to be social. A few people saying means things about someone to make them feel bad is not social ostracization; it's bullying, which, admittedly, can result in people ostracizing you in small and insular environments (like a school). But a few assholes on the internet trying to bully Holtby and his wife is not social ostracization. This isn't "cancel culture". This is a few assholes on the internet being blown wildly out of proportion.
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  16. Here we go... I came here for the goalie talk, but stayed for the argument about semantics?1? Fuck my life. I'm not at all setting out to make you wrong about this or me right about this, but on this I'm pretty certain: Informally, 'cancelling' someone is actualizing the idea of 'cancel': 'Cancel' is the concept; 'Ostracism' and 'Social and consequences' are the actualization of the concept. So, yes, some miscommunication. You, however, quite literally just used a concrete example of an Oxford definition of 'concept' - "a plan or intention; a conception'. First, a person thinks about hating Holtby because of mask artwork (the 'cancel' concept), then you go on Twitter and write a shitty reply after an apology (the actualized 'cancel'). The intention by some (see above quoted post) is to make Holtby feel like a complete pile of shit and ostracize him. Hurt his feelings. Hurt his wife's feelings. Make them feel the pain, the anger, the hate. This guy hasn't even suited up for a game in Vancouver... Bill Cosby is no longer working, from what I understand. Louis C.K. is working, from what I understand. There are gradations to 'cancelled', just as with anything else.
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  17. There's the miscommunication. "Cancelling" is not a concept. It is social and professional ostracism, with social and professional consequences that are clear and measurable. A right-wing pundit that gets "cancelled" by left-wing pundits, but suffers no social ostracism from their viewers and no professional consequences from their employer, has not been cancelled. When a draft pick gets cancelled, the team that chose them may renounce their rights. When a hockey player gets cancelled, he may get suspended by the league, and released by his team. Clear-cut social ostracism and measurable professional consequences. Bill Cosby was cancelled. He was largely abandoned by fans and public opinion, and lost out on a variety of professional opportunities as employers dropped him or refused to work with him. Holtby received some very mild criticism on social media, and... that's all. Being criticized, accurately or otherwise, is not the same thing as being "cancelled". People harassing Holtby and his wife is not "cancel culture", it's online trolls. Fundamentally, it's "angry village/bully the Other" mob mentality. That shit has been around since forever.
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  18. Anyways, here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBD1AYOMqmE Most relevant part (11:20 - 16:27): https://youtu.be/kBD1AYOMqmE?t=680 I'd recommend watching the whole video, especially if you like music, because it's very interesting and covers a lot of ground. Highlights include: Country music, as a modern genre, was astroturfed by Henry Ford because he hated jazz, as it fostered a more liberal attitude with regards to alcohol, tobacco, and sex; things he associated with African Americans, "recent immigrants", and "the international Jew". (Henry Ford was a huge asshole) Finding white people to mimic the sounds and styles of other cultures, as a way to bring them into the mainstream, has been a conscious decision of people within the music industry for a very long time. (Hound Dog and Tutti Frutti being prime examples) Rock, as a music genre, was started by black people R&B was a politically correct remarketing of the term "race music", so that the record industry could continue pretending they weren't being racist by labelling any music created by a black group the exact same thing, regardless of what the music actually was Egyptian Jingle Bells (yes, that Jingle Bells)
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  19. Same question I asked dual: what do you mean when you say "cancel culture"? You can't be authentic if you get the details wrong. Consulting with experts, if you aren't one yourself, is the best way to ensure you get the details right. No, it's that Eminem is an expert in part because he grew up with it. He doesn't (necessarily) need to talk to people from the black community to ensure that his art is authentic, because he is an expert in his own right. Eminem is also very aware of where his sits in the conversation, contributes to the culture with his art, and doesn't just parasitically siphon from it (Elvis, similarly, used his success to contribute to the black community and fight against systems that disadvantaged black people). Simply growing up beside, but not in, a culture doesn't mean you'll know enough to create authentic art from that culture. So far as European and Asian countries mimicking music created by African Americans, eh, doesn't feel great to me. But that physical distance, the lack of historical oppression within those countries (more specifically, Asian countries) changes the context of the situation. Like I said before, nobody creates in a vacuum. I'm not equipped enough to say more on that matter. At the time? I didn't think anything of it, because I didn't pay attention to it. It wasn't at the forefront of popular social issues, and I hadn't done much of anything to educate myself on the issue of cultural appropriation. It seems that Miller made the same mistake that Holtby did, it just wasn't picked up by social media and flew under the radar. But that doesn't mean he didn't make a mistake, or that the criticisms made of Holtby's mask are unwarranted. It's not gatekeeping, it's about maintaining what are (effectively) professional standards. It's about being respectful of the source material. And it's not equivalent to hairstyle or clothes (it is more similar to dance, as that is another kind of art). Art is a moment in time, and takes a level of expertise to create, which usually brings with it appropriate respect for the original material. Hair and dress are more like a living document, a way of telling the world around you who you are and where you come from, and you don't need to know anything about where it came from or what it means in order to wear it. People don't like to see their cultures get commodified and paraded about in an inauthentic way, because that almost always results in people confusing the stereotypical facsimile for the reality. And when your culture has been so heavily damaged, as is the case with American First Nations, that's a serious problem. It's less of an issue for Japan, because Japanese culture is alive and well in a country with over 126 million Japanese people living in it. It's less of an issue for Americans, because American culture has been exported across the entire world in an unprecedented display of cultural imperialism.
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  20. I'm curious, what do you consider "cancelling". Is it inaccurate criticisms and overreactions being thrown around on social media? Is it that Holtby decided to redo his mask? Is it that he publicly apologized for messing up? Because, Holtby is still playing for the Canucks. He's not abandoning his mask design, he's redoing it to be better than it was before. And publicly apologizing for your mistakes, honest or not, takes an incredible level of character. Make no mistake, nobody forced him to say anything, Holtby could just as easily have said and done nothing and all this would have blown over by the time the season starts. I am genuinely confused as to why anyone would think he's been "cancelled".
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  21. Great post, @Wonder35 ! Your Brown setup looks very nice.
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  22. ITT: People upset at "cancel culture". Personally I don't think respect for one another is something to be upset about, and as with anything due diligence is always required. Art or not, and especially when said art is supposed to be an homage. This is not a bubble wrapped planet. This is not woke culture. This is not left wing, right wing. It's just respect.
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  23. This is perfectly stated. All insinuation aside: No one is the proprietor of any human's emotions, and we must therefore be abundantly clear in our intention, and our execution thereof, to honor, homage, repair, or stand in solidarity of another human's culture, heritage, art, etc. To do anything less leaves the door open for further interpretation by both the appropriate interpreters and the inappropriate ones. Which leads me to... It is. As Ricky Gervais has said (my paraphrase) "It's not so much what the Nazis said, really. It's what they did." If every target is a moving target, we are on a very slippery slope. That so many folks are so shamelessly sliding their principles along the spectrum in order to best suit their own feelings is a serious demerit to the 'woke' conversation. There are CLEAR transgressions that we have to rectify socially and politically, but it seems to me that far too many people all along the political and social spectrums are far more comfortable attempting to demonstrate how 'woke' or 'unwoke' they are, rather than commit to doing the work that needs to be done. I am a proponent of the fundamental principle of 'wokeness' - empathy - but I'm not sure that a whole bunch of woke folk understand what empathy is, nor do they practice such naturally. Of course the result is a bunch of pseudo-fascists and pseudo-racists coming out of the woodwork: It's easy to dump on a 'woke' group of sanctimonious assholes.
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  24. CCM seems to have dropped the custom molded option recently when I talked with Goalie Skate Center here in Calgary about it.
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