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Someone who can fit into these PLEASE BUY THEM!!! I would happily let my wife yell at me for quite some time for blowing money on these needlessly but I'm just too short to have them fit. Unused Mike Smith pro returns that are just beauties... https://sidelineswap.com/gear/hockey/goalie/goalie-full-sets/1103821-ccm-new-mike-smith-premier-ii-set-36-2-nhl-spec Less beautiful IMO... but equally for sale is his white set... https://sidelineswap.com/gear/hockey/goalie/goalie-full-sets/1103794-ccm-new-mike-smith-premier-ii-set-36-2-nhl-spec
Has anyone picked up a pair of these CCM Pro Return 13A NHL Spec Pants from Goalie Monkey? I've been looking for a new pair for a while now and the price on these isn't bad. I've only really worn Vaughn (currently V5s) so any feedback on them would be greatly appreciated. https://www.goaliemonkey.com/equipment/pants/sr-goalie-pants/ccm-goalie-pants-13a-pro-return.html From Goalie Monkey: Details Brand new for the 2017-2018 NHL season, we have gotten our hands on the newest spec CCM Pro Return NHL Spec Senior Goalie Pants! These pants are the exclusive 13A model which is built off of several different styles of pant to offer the highest level of protection. The base of the pant is most similar to the Reebok 11K pant which features a separate upper attachment from the lower half. The biggest change in NHL spec pants is the rounded thighs on the bottom half which sit closer to the goaltenders body. Moving to the top of the pant, the hip padding is very similar to the older CCM CL Pro pant mixed with designs from the CCM 12A pro stock pant. That front hip padding has an extra strategic cut to allow for more flexibility, while being sewn down in more places so the padding does not fold up and expose the thigh. The second biggest change in NHL spec pants is the full elastic front which does not allow goalies to wear their pants incredibly baggy. This full elastic front allows for more uniformity and a tighter fit on the body. Last, the sizing of the waist was changed to make the sizing of goalie pants more specific to the individual goaltender, so please check the size chart before purchasing. These pants are made to NHL and AHL specifications ALL Pro Return gear is made to the Pro's specification and may have been altered or have slight cosmetic blemishes Some pants may have the lacing in front instead of full elastic Some pants may also have “KW” signature or a player specific name on the inside No Warranty
So, I am pretty OCD about how my C/A fits. I've been modding my C/As forever, and thought I'd show my work if anyone else is looking to try out something new....enjoy! I posted this one in the Pro C/A thread but thought I'd share them here too. This is a Jonathan Bernier pro return C/A that I was lucky enough to snag on Ebay a few years ago. main differences between Bernier spec and P1 spec are the arms and backplate on the arms, notice it lacks the oval outside and inside elbow protection. backplate is a softer material from my experience, this looks like a hybrid between a P1 body and Xpulse arms and backplate. I added the tie down loop on the inside belly, as well as the extra rib protection (gray pads). I also added the waxed lace in the elbows, as I found they hold tension better than the standard cord (which tends to come undone). Second pic shows a mod i did to the wrist to help them stay up on my forearm so they don't fall down to my wrist. I used 2" wide elastic with tension (I pulled the elastic tight while I was stitching so it wants to pull in) It gives much better tension than the standard 1/2-3/4" wide elastic at the wrist. If i were to ever go custom, I would ask for a 2" wide elastic strap at the wrist instead of the standard width. My brother brought over his secondhand Passau c/a this evening and asked me to do some work to it. It's a G1 which lacks the upper arm protection. Here is a before shot. You can see a pretty big gap in protection between the bicep pad and the shoulder circles. He said he had a couple shots last week that rose up and caught him in the upper arm/shoulder area We ended up grabbing some LD foam and nylon from a local crafts store and this is the result. All the stitching was done by hand with a sewing awl. Would have been a lot quicker if I knew how to use a machine to sew the nylon shut. I stitched one of the narrow sides shut, then the long side and flipped it inside out like a sock to get the "clean look" Next time, I think I would mount these under the arm as he said he felt a little loss in range of motion. I think it makes more sense to have softer foam on the player side and putting the harder stuff on the outside. The one on his blocker side arm is slightly longer (not wider). Mostly because I can't measure (lol) but i'm sure there's a goalie specific reason for it too.
I was asked generously by @TheGoalNet to review my James Reimer pro return 1S. I'm going to try to make it as detailed as possible to address questions or concerns people have with the pad, considering there is both a ton of hype and criticism about these pads. I apologize for the size of the pictures, as I took them with my new phone and have no idea how to scale them down. Hoping their size helps people see, with as much detail as possible, what I am trying to articulate here. I encourage as many people to read the full thing. I will discuss what I love about them, some of the mods done to the pads, as well as how I wear them, what I'm not crazy about, I'll address some wear areas, and conclude. I have loved these pads since the day I bought them. I found them on GGSU and the guy who had them initially bought them from BAHR in California. These were Reimer's pads when he was traded from Toronto to SJ, and made their way to BAHR. He wore NXG skinned 1S for a while, then wore the retail graphic 1S around Christmas, and returned to these shortly after. I am not sure why, but he wore these until he got his all-white, current graphic 1S in SJ. I acquired them in August of last year (2016). As a huge Reimer fanboy, I gawked at these the moment I got them. The Canada post people couldn't even believe they were transporting pads in the box due to how light they are. I assume many people have had a chance to see the retail production model, but for those who have not, you should try to at least try these on in-store. They are the lightest pad I've ever worn. I have worn Vaughn pads exclusively since I can remember. I wore V2s, V3s, and most recently, 35+1" V5 7800s. These 1S are a size Medium, and I do believe there are Reimer returns in a size small floating around some where. *Interesting note: These pads do not have the KW signature. Either it was rubbed off somehow, or something else happened. Who knows. However, they can be photomatched. There's also no chance they can be custom with 'Reims' embroidery and his specs with the NXG graphic. Just not possible. They did come with the teal padwrap on, but I removed it as I like the blue much better. They also don't have the JRZ stamp in between the inner leg landing area and the leg pillow on the inside. Not sure if they were or weren't made in Canada, because they were early gen 1S. I don't think they were, as I believe the early gen 1S were all off-shored. Now, custom 1S (depending on what is ordered) sets are made in Canada.* Let's start with what I love about the pads, and highlight some of the Reimer-specific specs. First, there's the weight factor that I just mentioned. Coming from stuffed Vaughns, picking these up and feeling their weight (or lack thereof) almost felt too good to be true. I am aware that the Warriors have these beat for weight, but transitioning from a soft, double break Vaughn into a stiff, light 1S was a huge change. However, I found it to be a fairly easy transition to make. Because the pads don't weigh much, their stiffness (in my opinion) did not affect my play style. I could still play my athletic, quick moving style without worrying about wearing a pad that would restrict my movement. If anything, my movements improved with these. A lot of this is due in part to the second reason why I love these pads, which is the CRS strapping the pads are fitted with, which is pretty much stock other than the knee wrap, which is nylon velcro as opposed to the stretchy, stock velcro. This allows my leg to sit tight in the channel, provide support across my calf while letting my knee sit freely in the knee channel. All of the CRS straps are long straps (you can order short and long). However, when I received the pads, the "CRS" strap that runs from behind your calf, through a loop on the inner knee landing, back around your calf and velcros to the leg channel, was a modified version, and was significantly shorter, thus allowing the pad to be worn even tighter. I am not sure if they could not get short straps at the time he was playing in these, but they look to be pretty much homemade by one of the TOR/SJ equipment managers. Here's a pic of them side by side, with the original CRS being the top, and the modified one on the bottom: I ordered a new set of long straps because I'm a stickler for aesthetics, and didn't like the off-white-sweat color from the modded one. It also appeared that the thick velcro stitched in black contributed to some inner leg channel wear. I'll get to that soon. I also wear the CRS strap "backwards", technically. The strap is meant to be worn where the CRS logo is visible on the outside of the pad. However, I wear it with the CRS logo on the inside, with the plain white velcro showing on the outside. I do it because I actually get a tighter feel with the strap switched, and wasn't a fan of how tight the original strap was. Here's a pic to illustrate what I mean: Sticking with the strapping, I am unable to wear the knee strap around the back of my knee and attach it to the knee wing due to the fact that the knee wing is stitched into the outside of the pad, and has 2 velcro "reinforcement" strips that force the knee wing to protrude outward. This is what the strips look like: This reinforcement prevents the knee wings from flapping around but actually remaining in place while you play in them. I've never worn the knee wrap angled down to the calf before I acquired these, and am glad that reinforcement is there. I'm sure it has flopped around and annoyed many. On his current sets, Reimer does not wear the outer knee flap, as it has probably annoyed him, too. However, I remember quite a few people talking about Reimer's "flap" on his pads, and find it cool that there is actually some substance behind a simple "flap". I don't think it helps stop any pucks by itself, but it might allow for some extra half-save that the puck might barely graze to win a game. Who knows. All I know is that I barely notice them when I play, and he no longer wears the flaps. Here are pics of him with the flaps in his stance, and without the flaps now: I added a velcro loop strap behind where the knee wing is to help slightly with pad rotation when I was butterflying. Lundqvist used these straps on his demo 1S and NXGs. This strap is extra from a pair of rollerflys and I found a way to make it work. It doesn't do much, but I like the security of having a little more around my knee area. As you can see in the above pic, the knee foam is recessed, giving maximum space for bulky knee pads. I wear the Reebok Revoke tie-in knee pads (and don't tie them in, obviously) and I find I have ample room in the knee area, and it's a quite comfortable pad to wear. It rotates well, doesn't over-rotate when I butterfly, and the strapping makes sense to me. It allows the light pad to move with me, and while the pad is super light, I still know I'm wearing a pad and unlike heavier, stiffer pads that feel like an extra piece attached to my leg, these feel very much like how the Vaughns felt on my leg: like they're part of my leg. You'll also notice in the picture above that there is no Poron knee landing. On a majority of the 1S pads I've seen, the Poron material wears down on the knee landing. On these pads, it's just a nylon covered standard soft foam knee landing that isn't stiff. In comparison, I have heard that Reimer's Vaughn returns (recent Ventus models) had super, super stiff knee landings. This knee landing is stiffer than Poron for sure, but not overly stiff that it hurts to butterfly by any means. Next, what I'm not crazy about. I love these pads. I really do. But, there are some aspects that I just can't figure out and it bugs me. For one, the velcro CRS boot strap is useless in my opinion, and because these have the velcro CRS strap stock, I can't put a leather boot strap in, even just to try. "But djtendy, just don't wear a boot strap. Nobody wears a boot strap anymore?" Fair point - however, I recently bought HALs and now the only spot I can think to carry them from, without stretching elastics that matter is the boot strap. And no, I don't want or use the 1S pad bag. I'd be interested to see how people carry the pads w/ HALs and no boot strap. The CRS stretch lace didn't serve much purpose for me. When I got them, they were basically cut in half, so I am assuming Reimer only put the lace through 1 or max 2 holes in the cowling. I used them once and reverted to skate lace, and recently bought HAL straps. While I did mention me liking the nylon knee strap, I can't experiment and put the knee strap behind my knee and have it attach at the knee wing. Due to the fact that the knee wing is stitched in + the reinforcements, it pulls awkwardly behind the knee and flexes almost when I butterfly. Even with a replacement set of stock long straps, it does not work. While I am fine with placing it below the knee, it sucks that I can't try something that I've always done. Probably the thing that bugs me the most is the very bottom of the leg channel flap, where my index finger is placed in the picture below. I'm not sure if it's my skates (Reebok 10ks) or the flap itself, but almost every time I butterfly, and get back up, the flap is stuck on my skate boot. I've tried skate lace toe ties, even HAL straps - the HALs work a bit, but in tight situations, I don't have time to think about how to recover while making sure my pad doesn't get stuck on the skate boot. I've contemplated buying 1S skates and seeing if the boot of the 1S works better than the 10ks in this situation, but that's an expensive investment for it not to work. I have yet to try the no bootstrap. When Reims wore these, he put clear tape around his boot/ankle. I'm not sure if the tape prevented the flap from getting stuck on the top of the boot. I've yet to try this method, and am interested if anyone else wearing these had this issue/found something that works to prevent this from happening. Now, for everyone's favorite topic re: the 1S. Wear and tear. I'll admit, these pads came with some wear on them. I don't wear them 5 times per week, but I do play against Junior/Major Junior/Pro calibre players and feel some input is needed with respect to how the pads wear over time. I've worn them anywhere from once to three times per week since I got them in August, and all of these pictures you see in the post are current. Let's start with the infamous sticker logos. On the demos, the Bauer logo is actually not a 1 piece sticker like it is on the new pads. Rather, the letters are like jenpro with an acrylic covering which outlines the logos that keeps them in place. No logos have fallen off, nor will they unless you try to peel them off yourself. I tried to use some of the sticky backing of my padwrap to keep the logos stuck to the pads (in the corners of the letters, where they have somewhat begun to peel), but it hasn't worked great. When I received the pads, the logos were already like this. Close to 1 year later, I am happy to report little to no changes in the logo adhesiveness. I'd like to think puck marks over the logos are testaments to their durability. Yeah, sticker logos are corny, but on these, I don't really care enough to make a big stink. Sure, they shouldn't fall off, but if they do, it's not the end of the world to me. I know for some, it may well be, and it sucks to pay $$ for logos that fall off, but a pilot, 1st-2nd gen pad that is still very new, and still being tested, and updated, will face shortfalls. On the new S190 retail gear, the logos are no longer stickers, but rather heat press. On the 1X gear, the logos are textured, but not stickers. See where I'm going here..? Next, the burned corners should be addressed. My pads came with the corners already burned out, and I put padwrap on the corners to prevent future rubbing. It's no doubt that they rub, and the padwrap jenpro has rubbed quite a bit, seen in the pics below. Bauer has addressed this issue on the new 1S and 1X pads, with a thinner top profile and a binding that covers the entire top part of the pad. It's just the fact that earlier versions didn't have the binding all the way, so I had to get creative. It's white and the pad is white and is barely noticeable to me. I have changed the padwrap once because the first time, it didn't stick properly. So, this is basically one and a half applications of padwrap over the corners, and the issue is solved. Next, skate cuts. I frequently get asked if the CORtech skin increases the chances of skate cuts. No, it doesn't. Any pad is susceptible to a skate cut. If a guy falls on his butt and slides into you feet first on the ice, a 1S pad and a Vaughn Pro V Elite will not react differently - sure, the Pro V Elite's stitched graphics might help reduce the severity of the cut, but both pads may be cut in the process. I've incurred no skate cuts (knock on wood) since I bought these. There are 2 minor, hair-strand width cuts on the boot and shin that I covered with padwrap because I just want the pads to last, and don't want anything serious happening because of the "cut". Nothing since. One of my only real concerns with these is at the corner of where the shin meets the boot on my right pad. The skin was cut and exposed is the actual pad. I've contacted Bauer about this, and they say it's an issue that was addressed and fixed with newer generation 1S' plus the new 1X. All I can do is put a piece of padwrap over it and ensure it adheres to the skin. There is red residue around it because I tried super-gluing the padwrap down and used a red winter glove to prevent the super glue from bonding my fingers together, lol. This, I believe, is the issue that allowed the picture of the puck stuck in the boot of someone's 1S pad to happen (not the picture, the puck in the boot). It sucks, but again, as a first-generation pad owner, I can only assume these risks as the new models continuously get updated. I think it's pretty cool that Bauer sees wear issues, addresses and fixes them within the same period that the pad is considered current. As I mentioned before, the knee foam is all recessed in the knee area, giving me maximum kneepad area. Due to this, and I think in due part to my own knee pads, and that I don't wear socks over top of my knee pads, there's a little fraying of the top of the knee area where my knee pad makes contact. Although it's begun to frat slightly, don't see this as an issue. The last wear spot comes from the inside of the pad, where the CRS strap is mounted. Due to the pad being comprised of all velcro staps, there's a fair bit of rubbing and friction that occurs between the velcro, the calf wrap, and the leg channel as a whole. As a result, the 37.5 Liner that liens the inside of the pad has begun to wear on both pads. It is all cosmetic and doesn't affect performance, but I've heard this is a fairly common issue. I assume this is something the 1X will address with their more simplistic strapping. Otherwise, I would hope Bauer changes how the CRS is executed in the newer 1S that will hopefully come soon! Conclusion: Overall, for a first generation pad, this has been a fantastic performing pad. For an off-shored, pro model used in NHL games, the pad has held up well. Considering this is a pro return pad, it's difficult for me to compare it to the retail models, and I know that. However, considering that Bauer's manufacturing process is practically identical on all 1S pads, I can't help but think that the only thing that differentiates the two is the quality control. Considering Bauer has made on-the-fly changes to its 1S line, I'd be interested to see how newer-model 1S hold up, especially pro-return models. This first gen pad is a sweet keepsake that I'll always hold onto, being a Leafs and Reimer fan. It performs like no other pad I've ever worn. Light, reactive, rebounds shoot out like its nothing, and the transition from a soft Vaughn was almost minimal. The mods done to the pad are unique and aren't normally offered at a retail level, giving this pad a distinct feel that makes it seem like it was made for me. It's truly fantastic! I'm sure I've missed something in the review, as I've gone through both his mods and what I like about them, and how I wear them. If there are questions or concerns about the pads, my experience, or anything I've missed, feel free to ask! It's been a long review, but I really haven't seen many in-depth 1S reviews. I hope this has been a unique review, but also an informative one.