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On 2/10/2019 at 1:29 PM, TheGoalNet said:

There’s 3-4 NHL guys that use this style shirt. 

Stolarz 100%, maybe Rinne too?

Rinne and Saros. They love the Kovo stuff. Finns loving Finns.

Brian's sticks, True sticks, Bauer NME mask. Hated them all.

But by far the worst were my Eflex 400's. It was my first set, but I wish I would have done more research or increased my budget before I got them. I HATED that set so much. The trapper was like concrete to close. The nylon buckles were so annoying and never rotated right. The pads were as heavy as cinder blocks with unpredictable rebounds. They came with Toe Hooks and I hated those too. Eventually moved to Supreme One.9's and now I'm on my fifth set of Bauer's. But man, I doubt I'll ever seriously consider Eflex pads because there's still a bad taste in my mouth.

17 hours ago, seagoal said:

Skaters should not skate up ice with the puck on their blade in the air off the ice:  yes or no?

Agreed. Based on the example given in OP.

That isn't the question. The question is should picking the puck off the ice and putting it in the goal with your blade be illegal.

These are two separate and distinct actions. One is possession of the puck during a distance traveled by the skater. The other is possession of the puck to perform a potential scoring motion. 

If you're saying the skater should not be allowed to juggle the puck on his blade while moving behind the net, we're in agreement.

If you're saying that the player cannot pick the puck up off the ice and carry it into the net, my response to you is that the only difference between that action and a shot is that the blade is in contact with the puck the entire time. If anything, it's no different than poking a loose puck behind the goal line down low or slamming it through an open gap during a scramble. Defending it from a goaltending perspective is no different than preventing a goal through any other kind of gap through any other method (shot, deflection, tip, poke, etc.). The fact that the goaltender is unprepared for that action is not a problem inherent to the nature of the game (using your blade to put the puck into the net is DEFINITIVELY a hockey action), but rather inadequate preparation by the goaltender and his coaches. If you leave a gap open, you get scored on. It's as simple as that.

If you still don't understand the distinction I'm trying to make, ask yourself if there's a difference in carrying a basketball down the court or through the key without dribbling, and carrying the ball up to the rim for a dunk. Because that's what this kind of goal is. If a slap shot is a three point jump shot, and a wrist/snap shot in a two point layup, then the lacrosse goal is a dunk. A dunk is not travelling, because it is a scoring action.

2 hours ago, coopaloop1234 said:

Just to argue with you for shits and giggles.

Remember that Krug clip from the playoffs where he skated across the entirety of the ice to lay a big hit without his helmet? NHL just imposed a rule where that type of play would force Krug to put his helmet back on or get off the ice.

This is despite that clip being shared everywhere.

They're kind of all over the place with how they implement rules.

I view that as different since that was a safety concern. Same with the Malarchuk incident, and every one of Matt Cook's feeble attempts at fighting.

1 hour ago, seagoal said:

Great post.  Thanks.  You reminded me of a possible criticism of my own argument that I thought of....but first:

-my traveling analogy first stemmed from the delay of game penalty given to the skater at center ice skating with the puck on his blade.  This happened in an NHL game, essentially them saying -- You can not take possession of the puck on your stick in the same way a goalie can in their gloves.  Skaters can't even use their gloves to carry the puck.  Possession of the puck in this sense is not allowed. So, because the lacrosse goal is the same thing other than time, I think it makes sense that the NHL should ban the lacrosse goal OR regulate the amount of time a skater is allowed to have the puck in their possession on the blade of their stick.

Here's what I thought of earlier as a critique of my own argument that you reminded me of: in basketball, players are allowed more freedom to "travel" near the goal in the box (is it called the Key? I forget).  So in the prime scoring zone I think they can travel 2 steps as opposed to the normal 1 step elsewhere on the court?

The lacrosse goal in hockey would qualify as analogous to this which might blow up my ban argument but would in fact support my subsequent suggestion that the NHL should then regulate time (or steps, as it were) allowed with the puck on the blade.

A lacrosse goal is not analogous to travelling. It's a motion made using the stick to put the goal in the net. In my eyes, that makes it a type of shot. It's about a half of a degree away from a deflection or batting it out of mid air into the goal and there's no way anyone would support banning those. 

Regulating the number of strides wouldn't work either. Those guys can get post to post with one good push. It's only 6 feet. Plus now you're opening yourself up to something else you'd have to review. All for what? A type of goal that gets scored in the single digits every year?

My only argument against it is that it brings the players stick up to head proximity. From that perspective, you could make the argument that it's unsafe in the same way high sticking is considered unsafe.

The "travelling" analogy is a weak argument. In this case, he didn't take much more than a half stride. You can take a step with the ball in basketball without it being considered traveling. 

The goaltender's defense on this is easy. Go mask to post. If a player still tries this, then we're back to my original point above that it could be dangerous.

With the current state of the NHL trying to increase scoring by reducing the size of goaltending equipment, what would be the reason (other than safety issues above) they would want to ban this. Right now this clip is going viral through multiple social media channels. Even non-hockey fans are re-posting this. These kind of ridiculous highlights get a lot of attention, something the NHL desperately wants. I just don't see a ban happening.

23 hours ago, #16 said:

I take it you can't elaborate?

I've been sworn to secrecy. I suspect me and @TheGoalNet might be talking to some of the same sources and I'm not gonna out them.

If what I've heard about the new Supreme line is true, prospective Supreme buyers are in for a TREAT. I'm only sorry I have to wait another year and a half for the new features to make their way to Vapor.

1 hour ago, seagoal said:

It just looks too flat to me.  I might be old school but I like the look of stitching and sewn on graphics.

And see that's the opposite for me. I only recently started playing about 3-4 years ago, so I'm looking at Warrior and CCM and Vaughn, and thinking to myself "Just think of all the weight they could save by ditching all the thread and jenpro!" To me, Warrior pads look like big dainty marshmallows and Vaughn and CCM look like heavy bricks. In fact I could bet that if you put leather straps on a P2 or VE8 and gave them to a goalie ten years ago, no one would blink an eye. I suppose my mindset is "Why are we all not taking advantage of all the amazing advancements we've made in materials science over the last 15 years?"

In the end it will always come down to preference, but like I said, CCM must be seeing the market move in a different direction, seeing all the young kids flock to Bauer, and thinking they better get in before they lose their dominance.

I'll chime in on this as a Bauer guy.

When shopping for my most recent set of pads, I of course did my homework and took a look at all the options out there, just so I could be sure Vapors were the right fit from me. When taking a look at CCM, despite all the marketing that says they're lighter, more advanced, etc. they still were perceived by me as kind of old and clunky when compared to some of the stuff Bauer and Warrior, and in some respect, Vaughn. I know you old school guys are rolling your eyes at that because you're not one for gimmicks and marketing. But I think there's a good portion of younger goalies coming up that are looking at all the offerings and looking at Premiers as "your dad's goalie pads". Whether or not that's true isn't the point. From a pure marketing standpoint, if you're trying to grow that audience, making incremental bullet point improvements to your pads that are perceived to be a cycle behind the competitors ain't gonna do it.

I think CCM has noticed this, and decided to break from the Premier line altogether while severing ties with Lefevre like Bauer did with JRZ. Goalies interested in the newest latest and greatest are probably gonna take a second look at a new pad, where they might not have looked at CCM before. It will still cater to the same style of play, but whether or not it will backfire by alienating more Premier loyalists than it attracts new customers will have to be seen. However what's more intriguing to me is what this could mean for EFlex if they decide to go the same route there.

29 minutes ago, ThatCarGuy said:

Backpack

In all seriousness, please don't do that idea. I actually do want to make a backpack from some Reebok Premiers just because I think it'd look cool and nobody seems to care about the Reebok Premier line.

P2's or P3's would look amazing as a backpack. You could use the leather straps as a shoulder strap accent and make a handle out of the boot strap. Cut the foam out of the knee stacks and turn them into outer pockets

1 hour ago, bunnyman666 said:

Set or wallet and handbag?

Toilet Seat cover.

4 hours ago, bunnyman666 said:

Pads or wallet?

Assless chaps

Winter 2019 Novice League Champs

On 3/31/2019 at 9:58 AM, cwarnar said:

Grab a Professor Strap from Kenesky:

Email - mike@kenesky,com or dave@kenesky.com as they are not listed on their website.

When you use this, hoe tight are you setting this? I think I remember Scrivens saying he wrenched it down really tight. Do you agree with that?

16 hours ago, mr_shifty1982 said:

Bauer Vapors arecstiff af!

The 2X Pro will be out in April or May. They've gone back to a design more like the Reactor 9000 and I've been told they will be the most comfortable C/A on the market when they're released.

9 minutes ago, southpawtendy48 said:

Yeah I just saw that too. Just another reason for me to dislike both companies

As long as Bauer is acting as the buffer, I'm not concerned. At least I know that Bauer will take care of me as a customer. It's up to them to deal with Monster.

I don't know the details, but there's absolute zero chance that Monster is producing these in-house. Bauer has way more manufacturing capabilities and it would be nothing for them to set up a production line for these. They already have the jenpro, all they need is bungee. Also, there's nothing forcing you to order HALs with your pads. You can still get skate lace and CRS lace and order ProLaces or Kenesky separately

28 minutes ago, jeff da goalie said:

Correct.  I've got no beef with D30.  I've had D30 kneepads that were fine, but nothing special (although they hurt when dropping into the butterfly for obvious reasons).  Just because something is good in one context doesn't mean it necessarily is in another.  

Yeah. Knee pads are the wrong application for D30. Because just the same way the gel firms up when it hits the ice, it also firms up where your knee lands in the pad. It would feel like concrete. It's great for chest protectors and glove palms because your body is staying static against the gear and all you want to do is dampen the impact of a puck. You don't really care if the puck is "comfortable" when it hits the D30. 

35 minutes ago, jeff da goalie said:

This.  (although gravity is -9.8 meters per second squared.  One of the few things I remember from physics. ;))  

It's a thin layer of D30 and it's not flush.  I could see using it with something else, but I guess one way of looking at is like a kevlar vest.  A kevlar vest will stop most bullets.  But it's thin and it's right on your body, so you may still break a rib and certainly will get bruised if shot.  Not comparing bullets to pucks (I guess I am), but a thin layer right against your neck and you might still face some damage.  The thicker gel types will spread the impact more.

I think the Aegis is a good concept, but I'd layer it on top of a gel based one and I'd think it would be more protective that way.

My apologies. I thought you were being skeptical of the D30. I didn't realize you were commenting on the construction of the neckguard, which, I agree with.

Kind of odd to throw doubt at D30. D30 is essentially the same as Poron XRD and those have been used in gloves and chest protectors for at least three years now. It's not going to feel protective when pressing it because it's rate sensitive. When hit with a hard enough force, the D30 stiffens up and spreads the energy around diffusing it. In theory, it should be more effective protection. They've been using D30 in other non-hockey protective equipment for years. I've got mechanics gloves with D30 and I've dropped a torque wrench on the back of my hand and definitely didn't feel a thing. Here's a demonstration:

On 2/8/2019 at 11:41 AM, ThatCarGuy said:

Bauer S190 is on clearance on goalie monkey currently priced at $379.98 if anyone's interested. $400 to get into the CORTech life.

S190 does not have CORETech. 

1s, 2s, and 1x have full CORETech. The X900 and S29 just have the CORETech sliding plates.

The S190 is all jenpro, basically a One.9 pad with CRS and cleaned up sliding edge.

1 hour ago, itis121 said:

Is it possible to bend back the finger curl on a 1x glove due to the curve in it? Or it's something I can get Factory Mad to fix?

That's part of the Factory MAD process, or it can be if you ask for it. That's one of the things he will do in addition to a floating skate lace T to make it flappy. Check out his instagram to see how it looks. I assume PAW could do the same thing.

An alternative would be to use a 1s/2s glove which presents more open to the shooter. IMO opening up the 1x negates all the advantages of the 1x in the first place (namely, puck handling and puck security when covering, plus finger leverage on closure). But I suppose if you're in love with that break angle, it's an option. 

Y'all are a strange bunch. I guess I'm the only one bothered by sweat stains in my 1x leg channel. Do you, bros.

1 hour ago, SaveByRichter35 said:

Its still there.  Maybe he doesn't care about the stains.

Yeah but it's less gross looking when you go to sell it.

I mean, suit yourself, I guess. But why wouldn't you want to hide stains if you could?