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9 hours ago, seagoal said:

it's all good. This gained more traction than it deserves. I guess to summarize my point and show a difference with the Levi's model number comparison:

Degree angle in a glove is descriptive.  It is a number that descibes the way a glove is built, sits on your hand, and feels.  90 degrees is a real, tangible thing. It is specifically what makes that glove different than a 65, 70.....degree glove.   They chose to call that glove 580, which is arbitrary and thus, means nothing.  90 means something, 580 does not.  I guess this is where I jump off the train in say the board meeting when someone proposes calling that glove a Reebok (was that first??) 90 and someone else goes "Nah, call that glove a Reebok 580" and they all go "Yes!" and vote for that.  Which forces customers to ask "What is a 580?" and the answer is "It is a 90."

Even worse:  "What is a Mach?" "It is a 600. "  "What is a 600?" "It is a 50."  

We don't give Levi's model numbers to Lucky Jeans.

Shrug.

Back on topic, hey look, Devon Levi looking sick. Early vote for set of the year in my book

 

Fair enough I guess, all names are arbitrary, but I don’t think with 580/590 are unfounded when talking about gloves.

The 580 break is named after the KOHO 580 Glove that was popular. (KOHO 560 was actually the original).

590 break is named after the KOHO 590 glove where the break first appeared for KOHO. 

So when ordering a new set of KOHO 590s in 2004 and you wanted the 590 graphic but you would ask for the 580 glove. This continued into the RBK era and beyond, the name stuck.

600 is named from hypothetical world where the KOHO line continued and this “could” have next iteration. I don’t think so, I don’t think the glove would exist without Carey Price, but that’s a debate for another day.

I don’t think this is any different then someone wanting Vaughn V10 but it’s actually a T5500. 

Or ordering a Bauer Hyperlite 2 blocker but it’s actually a 1X.

So I guess yes?? We in hockey tend to stick to those (arbitrary) model names as opposed to actual descriptive features. I’m not sure why, it doesn’t seem likely to change anytime soon.

22 minutes ago, seagoal said:

For real.  Do we even know what the hell 580, 590, and 600 mean, yet?  Why name a break angle on a glove a number but not use the actual number of the thing being measured.  I'm sure there is some explanation that I missed or chose to ignore over the years, but the fact still stands that 580 means 90 degrees, so why not just call it Reebok/CCM/Lefevre/True 90?  Why add another level of obscurity and confusion? Why use a symbol to refer to an existing symbol?

Are arcs in a circle measured in something different than degrees in ole' Canada?

Yeah….we do know that they mean. 

On 10/2/2023 at 7:15 AM, ser33 said:

Can anyone share their experience of riding 1 piece and 2 piece? How much difference is there in the height of the skate and the inclination of the holder? Will the transition from 2 pieces to 1 piece be smooth or will it take some getting used to?

I will be grateful for any feedback

For me I like being closer to the ice. You may feel a little flatter footed because they aren’t pitched forward so it will be up to you find your balance point.

For me the best part of being lower to the ice is less stress on my hips and knee when I recover to my feet. I’ve played around with taller steel and taller holders, which may make catching your edge and pushing slightly easier when you’re already in your butterfly. Hopefully you are able to  imagine this in your head, but when I was recovering, in my taller blades/holders my blade is taller and my holder is taller, therefore my knee is now higher when I plant my foot.  The higher my knee was the more stress I had on my legs in the recovery positions. Since switching into the one piece 4-5 years ago I’ve noticed my hips and knees feel much better. 

I’ll be that guy for the thread. I think aesthetically, it’s ugly. Reminds me of the Rbk 9K era of masks with the chin lip and the lack of top and side straps. I understand why it’s a good idea to not have visible straps that can pop off on a shot, but still it’s part of our heritage. 

4 hours ago, TheGoalNet said:

Been available at pro since OD1N was new? First time available at retail. Custom only right now.

I think it’s been around in some way since before then. I remember a lot of the Quebec league guys having them pre one piece cuff. 

29 minutes ago, ZeroGravitas said:

True/Lefevre knee/thigh pad?

Willing to bet they’re the same CCM KP pro he was in last year based on the screw placemat. Lefevre had a logo on the Velcro strap. 

I may be weird but to me I believe the 591 feels closer to a 580. The 581 feeling closer to the 590.

Anyways take a look at these 

https://www.psscalgary.com/ccm-eflex-6-allout-glove-set-sr.html

Matt Murray V9s.

2 hours ago, Chenner29 said:

Take that back, I love my stupid L shape gloves

Agreed, the steeper thumb angle is much better on the Lefebvre. Plus I think they present much better. 

13 hours ago, tgfoo said:

Here you go:

 

Then compared to the stock Mach (on the left, 2-piece on the right)

 

2-piece feels tight, but then the Mach felt tight when I first got it, so I’m guessing it’ll be more comfortable after a few games. Though, after my initial impressions, I think I like the Mach more, but we’ll see if that changes after a few games.

It’s also too bad they don’t give the Mach and Hyperlite palm. 
 

My pro-return one has the new style one. 

15 hours ago, ZeroGravitas said:

Looks like Vaughn Velocity 10.

Or the V9 which was essentially identical. I only mention it because I feel like you can see the blue of V9 logo.

I have been able to handle some of the modded grey RbK ones before the official Koho branded ones. But the genuine Suisse style can be bought from WS Composite. The one thing I have stole from this design is adding Eva style foam on the landing gear of my knee pads.

 https://ws-composite.ch/en/product/ws-carbon-knee-guards/

We talk about evolution in gear and taking leaps forward. I do wonder about the knee pad, most companies have made some version that is essential this design for the last 20 years. Even the big Suisse style Giguere knee pads were modded versions of this design. 

I wouldn’t compare this to something like the 590 chest and arm which evolved into the the mythical P1. A design where people enjoyed the design and requested something similar for years. The knee pad seems to be of a “good enough I guess” mentality. 

Reebok Pro

Connor Hellebuyck 

Anyone else think Montembault may have lost some bags on the flight over?

looking at his pads and stick. 
 

***Edited, lost luggage seems likely as that’s actually Joel Hofer. 

Bauer Supreme 2018/ 1S/ 

Jordan Binnington 

Demko with what I believe are CCM Premier 2. There’s a chance they are the NHL Legal CCM thigh and knee as he use to use the Brain’s version of those.

Vaughn V7 

Casey Desmith 

1 hour ago, Chenner29 said:

McElhinney wore Passau

He also made two vids about this absolute unit of a franken-knee

https://www.instagram.com/p/CeghopyD_HA/

I’ve seen that video too. The flatness of the landing is such an interesting concept that makes sense for stability. 
 

His logic was a basis of my theory on the rise of seemingly “retail” knee pads. A lot of the under 30 goalies never had that experience of thigh boards or when the NHL removed the attached Giggy knees (which is still a sore spot to me). 
 

A lot of current crop of goalies would have used stock knee pads their whole career and just stuck with them. 

29 minutes ago, Chenner29 said:

Ooh fun

Vasi circa 2020: Bauer 1X

Colin Delia circa 2019: PAW?

IIRC Fleury has some mangled, super basic nylon and foam OG Bauer Reactors kinda like this.  Couldn't find any high quality images on Getty though

Fleury certainly was (is?) using this Reactor style which i screen grabbed a from a catalog from 1997. I’m not sure if he ever had them rebuilt, but I have seen plastic added to the thighs of them. 

Vaughn SLR

Joe Woll

Bauer Elite

Cam Talbot

Bauer Pro:

Joey Daccord

Logan Thompson 

Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen 

CCM KP Pro.

Carter Hart

Devon Levi

Stuart Skinner

Juuse Saros

Jonas Korpisalo

 Vaughn V9 with garter

Freddy Anderson