Chenner29

3 hours ago, chile57 said:

On PAPER - the Bobrovsky/Hill matchup is severely slanted in Florida's direction - no? I know there's plenty of teams that won with a combination of two starters (my DRW in 2008 with Hasek/Osgood come to mind (though I'm sure fact spewing @coopaloop1234 will hit me with a more recent iteration )) but nobody has won when down to their 3rd/4th (if you count Lehner) stringer leading the charge - right? Guess you can argue that Hill was an acquisition and not truly 4th on the depth chart but still - wild.

Should be a fun series to watch. But the real question is - will the sky start falling if a Russian netminder wins the Cup? We ALL know for a FACT it'd be unprecedented. 

 

I flipped through Cup finals matchup history here:

https://www.championshiphistory.com/nhl.php

Biggest hardware gap between starting goalies in Cup Final in recent memory that popped out to me is Kuemper vs. Vasi last year.

I also chuckled when I glanced past the 2010 Chi/Phi final, that was probably the low point for goalies (Niemi vs Leighton)

1 hour ago, Dee said:

Wow! Fla vs Vegas for the Cup. Whoddathunkit? 
 

When the playoffs started I was half serious when I said to my brother, "what's the point of even playing the games? Just give the Cup to Boston". Man I love when I'm wrong. (happens often) 

Gary Bettman's really happy right now

On 5/28/2023 at 6:23 PM, ThatCarGuy said:

I’ll plan the parade

I ordered 1000 "I told you so" stickers last month out of spite

I'll send you some to use

47 minutes ago, netminder said:

Flex those muscles kid, thats usually the best position a bully comes from.

 

PS: Let me remind you that you went out of your way AND off topic to call me out here. I might call a spade a spade when I see a post about a goalie like Keumpher, a goalie i happen to really like thats being trashed, so what!!! Have a Snickers instead.

Seeya, homie.

Based on your email, you're the same dude that got banned on GGSU a few years ago for going around starting fights on there for no reason, then report people to Facebook for disagreeing with you.  Probably get some kind of sick kick out of it.  That MO has clearly continued on here and I'm sick of dealing with it.

Hope you get some control in your life back as it's clearly affecting your online persona.

30 minutes ago, southpawtendy48 said:

Thanks for posting those articles here. It should put to rest whatever that guy pulled out of his ass.

As someone who has and is being coached by a european goalie coach the past several months, I can say for a fact that it’s a game changer. I wish I was coached this way sooner. 

We both know it won't....

15 minutes ago, ThatCarGuy said:

Basically europe likes fast goalies and North America likes big blocking goalies. That trend is starting to turn though. If you watch an SHL or KHL game you’ll notice pretty quick those goalies don’t move like their NHL counterparts. 

This sequence is INSANE 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CqXkUz5jmLK/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

2 hours ago, Cool Runnings said:

Hahaha okay... Well I shall.  How so are they garbage?  And what sort of slack?  I've done about 4"on the toe ties before

 

And one last question... I think... Anyone squishing the pads down overnight to have a better top curve or break in? 

This mod I did/thread I wrote about it in may be relevant to you

3 hours ago, coopaloop1234 said:

Of course he's wrong. There's 4 in the past twenty two years. 

Niemi, Vasilevsky, Khabibulin, and Hasek. 

But he's intentionally putting in nonsense filters that exempt vasi's winning years. 

15 hours ago, southpawtendy48 said:

So what? And tell me what evidence backs that up, cause there's no way it's only 3. We've seen north american goaltenders such as Kuemper win a cup when he stole maybe a handful of games for the Avs max. Not hating on Kuemper at all but it's just the facts. He was on a very good team that SHOULD have won the cup, and they did. And Vasy JUST won two straight cups, almost 3. Even still, we've seen that especially recently it doesn't even matter what nationality NHL goaltenders are to win/be successful. Look at the rise in success in european goalies. Championships among those goalies will rise soon enough

7 hours ago, ThatCarGuy said:

Good examples are Saros and Vejmelka. Two unbelievably good goalies but on awful teams

Article from 13 (!) years ago when media started noticing the change toward Euro goalies.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/european-goalies-becoming-the-rule-not-the-exception/article560001/

Article from 2020 out of the IIHF

https://www.iihf.com/en/news/20397/year-of-the-european-goalie

Article from 2016 out of USA Hockey

https://www.usahockeymagazine.com/article/2016-06/goalie-issue-homegrown-goalies

Long-time goalie coach Jon Elkin on record saying Ontario isn't doing a good enough job developing their own goalies

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/ohl-trades-hockey-1.5011453

Marty Biron and Marty Brodeur on record saying Europe does a better job developing goalies (2021)

https://nypost.com/2021/03/20/why-quebec-is-no-longer-an-nhl-goalie-factory/

So with those 5 links we've covered:

• media
• 2 hockey organizational bodies
• A reputable goalie coach who's been coaching 30+(?) years
• two NHL alum (one of whom is arguably GOAT)

who all agree the European goalie development model is better than the North American one.

50 minutes ago, Hockey34 said:

Stars in 7

2 hours ago, coopaloop1234 said:

Reverse sweep coming 

One game closer, you mongrels 

Only thing I can think of is the chin of your mask rubbing up on top of the collar? 

2 hours ago, netminder said:

The irony of you calling me out earlier for cherry picking when i post on this board then you go and "cherry picked" a few older comments of mine in a desperate attempt try and prove a point is typical teenager behavior to be honest. This irony is thick as mollasses now.

The real irony here is that you’ve called me a teenager twice but still clearly have not progressed beyond grade 12 yourself - the most recent example as being the fact you do not understand what “cherry picking” in a logical argument actually is.  I won’t waste my time in suggesting you look it up, as that would require you to have a desire for personal growth.

Word of advice, quit while (you think) you’re ahead, as you’re punching well above your weight class arguing with strangers on the internet. 

You’ve got a long history of being a pedantic prick to people on this board.  Next time you’re even remotely a dick to someone on here, you’re getting permabanned. 

All gone.

On 5/25/2023 at 2:54 PM, pkeyk4 said:

This is my first Bauer order. I'm interested to see how the build quality is as their track record is well known.  My primary C/A is a Kenesky PP1 that I've had for almost 4 years now. It's a tank but I'm not sure I'd order another one with the crazy long wait times. I've just tried a Passau Pro Pack, but the shoulder floaters are not for me.  

I wish CCM would just sell their new NHL spec unit like this

On 5/25/2023 at 4:34 PM, Oshnatour said:

Well that's disheartening.

I've been doing some reading here and have heard alot about those Pro stock CCM units, seems like a rough consensus that those are the top dog, only problem is I cant find a medium

I really want true to come out with a canadian made lefebvre unit, cause I'm guessing that's the roots of whatever CCM had.

The McKenney actually looks like it has the shin pad style arms like the CCM AB18/AB23

https://mckenneyhockey.com/en-us/products/xpg2-pro-elite-chest-arm

Unfortunately I don't think anyone on this BB has picked one up yet

6 hours ago, netminder said:

This is harrassment 101 to T.

You  just go off the rails with your comments about me for NO reason and then has nothing to do with the subject matter because you have that power to get away with it time and time again.  Im not really sure why they let 13 year olds like you be mods here, but i'll try to let the owner of this site know Via Insta again that this has happened, and i predicted it would, btw. 

....And now i see another purely random post call me a dick too. DO YOU SEE how cancerous your non-hockey talk spreads? Take a deep breath next time your presious opinion doesnt align with mine, it will do wonders for your maturity.

Yes, I am projecting my GODLY MOD POWERS to sway public opinion against you and it has absolutely nothing to do with you posting baseless hot takes on this board, reporting people for disagreeing with you, complaining about being banned by GoalieGearNerd from his Instagram....I could go on.

But nah, let me dig up some receipts.

So yeah, people calling you a dick is my fault.

Come on dude, you can't be this thick-headed.

2 hours ago, Ace5027 said:

I never thought it would be worth 2k.  I suppose if I can get that it would be great.

It's like finding a brand new set of leg pads in your garage....

On 5/26/2023 at 6:33 AM, Hockey37 said:

Retail SP jerseys are good quality, but still not the same as the authentic on-ice ones.  

I'm sure they put a lot more love and care into the NHL ones

Just now, Ace5027 said:

Thanks Chenner.  I will look that up.

FYI, this is from April 7

I believe there is a goalie mask collector group on Facebook.  IIRC these things were going for like $2k in good condition a few years ago.

44 minutes ago, proudSnowflake72 said:

He's a dick to you because you're an ethnocentric dick to everyone else.

You're a beauty

1 hour ago, coopaloop1234 said:

Here's the list of top playoff save percentages (career) with minimum 15 games played. 

USA: 2
Swiss: 1
Russian: 1
Czech: 1
German: 1
Canada: 3
Finnish: 1

I know you put a huge emphasis on save percentage for determining a goaltender's worth, but out of the top performing goalies in the playoffs, only three guys have won the cup. Well, technically 4 since Rask was on the bench for Thomas' cup. 

Hell, only 4 of these guys have even seen the finals, Rask being the only one to see it multiple times. 

Historically, you're correct about N/A goalies winning it most often, but a lot of those historical stats are heavily skewed due to the first half of the leagues history being essentially all North America players only.

Watching teams draft goalies every year is kind of fun if you're into pattern recognition.  You hear the term 'copycat' thrown around quite often and I think drafting history shows this to be true.
Late 80s to mid 90s: GMs all over Quebec trying to find the next Patrick Roy
Mid 90s to early 00s: GMs all over Czech to find the next Hasek (Roman Cechmanek and Roman Turek should pay royalties to Hasek for their careers)
Early to mid 00s: GMs all over Finland to find the next Kipper
Mid 00s to early 10s: Now it's off to Sweden so we can clone Lundqvist.  What? He's got a twin? Can he play net?
Early 10s: All right boys let's make another Bobrovsky out of Russia
etc.

Looking at Vezina candidates by decade, we can see the 80s and 90s were dominated by North American tendies.  As we move into the 00s and 10s, there are two years punctuated by all-Euro goalie candidates:

12-13: Bob, Lundy, Niemi
21-22: Shesty, Marky, Saros

Until then, the defacto 'best goalies in the world' were North American.  So we're dealing with a smaller sample size.  Similar to how people used to say "Easton sticks break all the time" - well, they had the biggest market share so you're going to see a lot more broken Easton sticks.

IMO Euro goalies only really came into vogue in the NHL after Hasek, then Kipper, then Lundqvist had their runs.

14 hours ago, netminder said:

Why are you such a dick to me??? Are you not supposed to be an unbiased mod???

 

Grow up and stay on topic next time.

I don't know if you're intentionally oblivious or if it's an act you just put out on the internet.  You're right, I should be nicer because I genuinely feel bad for you.

Here you are expecting a REAL PERSON to be unbiased, and in the same thread you are making some clearly skewed* (and arguably xenophobic) remarks about North American tendies being better/more Cup-worthy than everyone else...

*this is a synonym for 'biased'

15 minutes ago, pkeyk4 said:

This is my first Bauer order. I'm interested to see how the build quality is as their track record is well known.  My primary C/A is a Kenesky PP1 that I've had for almost 4 years now. It's a tank but I'm not sure I'd order another one with the crazy long wait times. I've just tried Passau Pro Pack, but the shoulder floaters are not for me.  

I wish CCM would just sell their new NHL spec unit like this

The Bauer product is good, and I think the levels of build they offer is good for most people.  I may have just had bad luck with the stitching pulling.

I got absolutely smoked a couple times in my Kenesky.  Like, my entire right arm was black and blue for 2 weeks.

I tried to give them an order in February for some small parts (leather and elastic straps).  Haven't heard back since March.  Not worth it

53 minutes ago, Oshnatour said:

 I think I'm leaning towards this option, just cause I'm a big baby and I hate stingers. now I've got to decide which arms are best for me... how I do that I have no idea.

I custom ordered a Hyperlite with Mach arms last year.  Had the full beef up kit specced on there (upper + lower arms, shoulders) and still caught some pretty bad bruises through it against various levels of Euro pro, NA pro, NCAA and Junior guys.

Also had some minor quality quibbles on the unit.  I gave it 3-4 skates before going back to my CCM AB18 and stitches were already popping out of it by the end. 

Feel bad for Andersen, there were some really bad defensive breakdowns on the first 3 goals against

Stoked to see Bob continue his run.  Was nerding out with a goalie I work out with how Bob has toned his game down a lot and learned to play off patient edges and getting good reads

Definitely get checked out by a doc, that is not normal.

51 minutes ago, tgfoo said:

Here are photos of what I’m talking about. Here is the Mach pinky protection while holding a stick:

And here is the 2-piece:

Looks to me like the elastic should start at the blue X?

On 5/16/2023 at 4:06 PM, CamWardFan said:

I'm so frustrated by all the legit sites that sell real pro adidas jerseys.  All I want is a genuine adidas nhl Canes jersey in 58G+ or 60G with logos but no name and number.  I've called a dozen companies and always get the same story - they tell me adidas doesn't sell goalie jerseys to the public and no one will even try to special order me one.

WTF why not? There are literally thousands of goalies in the world that would buy one if they could get it, it just doesn't make sense.

My only option so far is to try and find a prostock on Ebay or Sideline, and IF you can find one they want $350 or $400 for it.  That's just ridiculous.......

I just hope when Fanatics takes over that they will sell some damn goalie jerseys..............

This is probably why. - tldr; "retail Authentic" jerseys are made in Indonesia.  Adidas (or more specifically, their factory in Indonesia) doesn't make them in goalie cut.  Would be willing to bet Fanatics will not either, there is no money in producing goalie cuts for the general public.

True NHL game jerseys are made in Quebec (source).

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Each NHL game jersey today is made in a factory in Saint-Hyacinthe, Quebec, near Montreal. Fanatics will continue to use the same factory, the same specs for players and even some of the same fabrics, at least at first. The company has assembled a team of people with decades of experience working on NHL on-ice and performance products.

It sounds to me like this shop in Quebec ghosts for whoever has the NHL jersey deal at the time (Reebok/Adidas/now Fanatics).

A quick Google search yields SP Apparel as a jersey manufacturing facility in St-Hyacinthe, and their blurb says they contract with Adidas and Fanatics.

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A total of 260 employees contribute to the success of our company, and our clients include some of the most important brands in the industry such as Nike, Adidas, CCM, Bauer, and Fanatics amongst others.

Their catalog claims all 32 NHL teams are in their product:

So I guess order an SP Apparel jersey if you want the closest thing you can get to the real deal.