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7 minutes ago, indykrap said:

Does anyone wear jock shorts? Like the yellow mesh kind players wear. I wonder how they might work for holding up socks over knee pads. 

There's some baselayers out there that incorporate those already: 

https://www.thehockeyshop.com/products/bauer-elite-senior-goalie-padded-pants 

My Onerirc has them as well. 

The typical ywllo jock shorts would work fine, just depends on what else you wear with them. 

I'd imagine a base layer, shorts, then goalie jock would just be a lot of bulk. 

16 hours ago, keeperton said:

I think with True what they've really done is completely dialed in some of the minutia within a pad that some desired, and others didn't realize they desired. Namely: the strapping (thus, feel), the boot of the pad sitting way on top of the skate, and pad seal in conjunction with the incredibly stiff thigh.

Yea, I see True's pad offerings as a refinement of the current trends and their pads are designed well and work. I'm wanting to reference big shifts in brand popularity in terms of how gear evolves and, despite True just exploding with Pros/Amateurs, it's not because they're offering anything new to the market that has drastically shifted customer expectations/desires. It really is a legacy coup due to the designer name. 

True's popularity is the Stanley cups of the goalie world.  

Plus their gloves are still antiquated.

34 minutes ago, MTH said:

Company wise - pro goalies in your gear or kids across the globe using your gear?

What's a bigger deal?

Pro's. Pro's wearing your gear has a much bigger market influence than seeing what your buddies are wearing. Especially as adoption rates are heavily tied to NHL presence. 

Once you get kids in your gear for a long enough time, it's difficult for them to "stray" to other brands unless there's a large market shift like I mentioned above. 

Plus, how often do you see kids snuff Warrior gear solely because there's no NHL presence? 

5 minutes ago, keeperton said:

I mostly agree, though. Vaughn stuck to their guns and aimed to please their main professional clientele instead of grow their base, then lost touch with pushing the bounds. They have fully caught up, in my opinion, but need to rebuild that base/trust.

And I agree with this too. 

Biggest issue with Vaughn right now is that they need to offer something unique that will draw new clientele over. Because they've been chasing for so long, what they're offering is nothing different than what is already out there and people won't just switch. 

CCM had two stages of getting people invested. RBK P1 was the first really popular stiff pad and that was unique and offered a new style of play.

Then came the Eflex line that blended the Premier with a softer profile from Vaughn. This was a huge line when it released as is drew people in from Vaughn and Bauer as it was an evolution to the pads they were currently using. 

Then Bauer changed the landscape again with the Od1n line and it's effects from the 1S are still seen today. Super fast sliding, stiff core, hot rebounds, etc. 

The Lefevre/True revolution isn't something I'm putting too much market influence on. That one felt more like a popularity contest than anything. Their market offerings are still good and within expectations. But they're not really driving the industry forward. (IMO). 

I'm summarizing greatly with the above, but these are kind of the key notes for brand popularity that I've witnessed over my time I've actually been paying close attention. 

15 hours ago, ThomasRedden said:

I mean not the best opinion given i'm just a goalie paying for my high school team. and i'm not even in Vaughn's right now (minus my catcher). but having gotten my hands on some Vaughn pads, i don't get why they're so underused in the NHL. aside from basically being the most traditional brand in a no longer traditional play-style NHL. and even then what most goalies are getting are the stiff modern style pad, even the v10 pads are stiff and semi modern. maybe i'm a Vaughn suck-up, but i just don't see why they are not that popular anymore. 

There's a lot to this question that goes over a large period of time in goalie gear. 

There's an entire case study that can be done in regards to how Vaughn came in with the infamous V1's and how that changed the landscape of goalie gear to the point we're at now. 

But, to put it succinctly: Vaughn was caught resting on their laurels after taking over the market with the V1's. They got complacent and other brands brought more enticing types of gear than what Vaughn was offering. 

4 minutes ago, Toobs said:

Have to agree with you. Bauers are by far the tightest bungees, I replaced the ones on my HL2s after one skate cause they were way too short.

That being said, there’s still plenty of give that there’s no way it should have caused MCL or ACL injuries.

My ARS on my RGT1 ended up giving me some issues on my MCL on my right leg due to the tension and getting run into a few too many times. I was sidelined for about two weeks to let it heal up. I could still play, just took the safe route.

Shortly after was when I switched to Pro Laces and they were massively looser. 

I can definitely see some bungee systems not being the "cure" that is generally raved about, but even the worse ones won't cause whatever is happening here. 

10 hours ago, pfeiffjay54 said:

I hope you can heal quickly! What toe ties were they? When I demoed bauers I always thought they had tight toe ties, thought the same with Ccm but never tried on the ice

It's either Bauer or Warrior pads, they both have tighter elastic systems than most. 

But at the same time, they both have enough give that no one's foot should be pointing upwards... 

I'm going to jump to conclusions and say that this is due to user error somehow. 

Shirt is just a whatever workout shirt from Amazon.

Pants are the Oneric Goalie base layer, which you can no longer buy. They come with cut resistant ankle section and are padded on the backside of the legs. They've been excellent and when I heard they were going out of business, I went out and bought a backup pair. 

Currently on my second set and have one more to go. Not sure what I'll do once these are worn out. 

3 hours ago, A.YOUNGoalie13 said:

Askarov with a grippy looking inner glove

Looks like the paddle wedge glove 

https://www.thehockeyshop.com/products/paddle-wedge-trinity-senior-padded-inner-glove

33 minutes ago, ZeroGravitas said:

I'm gonna guess that's pretty accurate - or at least up-to-date - since they're listing the Hazardous pads.

Looks like my guess was pretty accurate!

I wonder what's more demoralizing for a company - the damn-near-overnight jump of CCM goalies to True, or the slow bleed-out of Vaughn to other brands.

I'd vote being Vaughn. Seeing one of the most prolific brands in hockey slowly wane away has got to be frustrating. 

At least with CCM it was a quick break due to a singular factor. They get to essentially start fresh and figure out what they want to provide. Vaughn is chasing trends. 

Really shows Vaughn's fall from grace. This was what, 2 years before the 1S entered the show? 

https://www.geargeek.com/position/goalie/pads 

Not sure if this webpage is accurate or not, but let's pretend it is. 

True: 33
Bauer: 19
Vaughn: 12
CCM: 5
Brians: 4

True obviously took all the CCM guys and then some. Even some Bauer and Vaughn guys switched eventually (korpisalo/Merzlerkin). 

But the trend to move over to stiffer pads is apparent. Hell, even the Bauer in the graphic you used is their reactor line and not the Supreme. 

29 minutes ago, ZeroGravitas said:

Need to get a set that matches these colors...

Just smoked them out of the water eh? Congrats. 

May want to tell buddy in the back that the Skullet was never cool. 

8 minutes ago, Lucky Pucker said:

Right? We even asked around with parents of Dubs and Trips - none of them are doing FOUR cameras.

I mean, how do they even have the time to go through all that footage??

I’ll tell ya though, if the GoPro they stuck next to our bench had audio, they heard some choice observations… lol!

I barely have time to skim through my LiveBarn footage. I couldn't imagine even toying with the idea to do that for house league. 

Does the coach have all the kids sit and watch game footage for strategies? How effective is any of this really? 

1 minute ago, Lucky Pucker said:

 all at U13 House League level. 

That's hilarious. I feel like travel AAA teams aren't even this awful. 

16 hours ago, CamWardFan said:

I KNOW that these companies don't give their contract pro and amateur goalies gloves that are stiff as a board.  They've got machines to break those gloves in.  There's no reason for the price we are paying for these gloves that they can't do that for us PAYING customers.  Don't tell me it's too expensive. Figure it out.  You're sending your customers a big money product that is not even usable........

1 hour ago, RichMan said:

As mentioned, it quite varies from one brand to another, and even one model to another within the same brand. And then, what we get in stores is nothing like what the pros wear. This is very important to understand. They need something that is usable within 2-3 practices tops so they can then use it in a game. This excludes their practice gloves of course

I'm genuinely curious why you guys believe that Pro's are getting an entirely different product line of gloves?

As for the topic at hand, only glove I had an issue with after buying new was my Vaughn SLR. Aside from that I've never encountered any issues with breaking in new gloves. 

RGT, RGT2, CCM 2.9, Mach, G6. 

I know Warrior's are the absolute king for breaking in quickly, but even with my CCM and Mach I had zero issues taking them into game action immediately. I don't do any other break in processes aside from the standard opening and closing. 

I stare at a medium screen for work, then I stare at a small screen while I have a big screen on after work. 

That's helping right? 

Just now, indykrap said:

This is super helpful - thanks @coopaloop1234! Makes me think that Brian's might be the way to go for a a future set.

Brian's is still king of custom, so if the off the shelf pads aren't doing it for you, you can easily get them to build a more suited pad. 

Not really going to get that from the other guys unless you're talented. 

Unfortunately, none of us meet that threshold lol 

9 minutes ago, A.YOUNGoalie13 said:

Got it. Not a soft flex fan myself.

I've got a pair of 'M' series sticks I've been holding on to until my current V2 breaks. It's been years and is barely holding on, but I still can't shelve it prematurely. 

Aggressive pre-curve is slowly being phased out from most pads. 

Brians has the "Z" shape, which is different as you get a more aggressive bend before and after the knee. It does the same job. 

For a more classic "s" shape curve, you'll be wanting to look into the V10 Pro (not Pro Carbon), 3X, and Hyperlite 2. 

Bauer's line up goes from "S" shape at it's softest (Hyperlite/3X) and gets straighter as you go up in stiffness. 

Vaughn has recently beefed up the V10 pro Carbon thighrise, so getting the S curve will be tougher, but the senior level pad won't have the same carbon infused rigidity and has a more classic profile as well. 

48 minutes ago, Chenner29 said:

I'd bring in the slack at the toes for sure.  Would also consider tightening up the knee block elastic

Cut of an 1" from the toe ties and I bet this problem goes away almost completely. 

44 minutes ago, A.YOUNGoalie13 said:

The V series is softer flex? Or were you saying that in reference to your eflexs?

V series is the stiff stick, M series is the soft one. 

He's saying he prefers the soft feel of his eflex sticks over the V series. 

4 hours ago, ilyazhito said:

Wow. Is this convergent evolution (Bauer and Warrior happen to be the same size)? 

28 minutes ago, ThatCarGuy said:

They were but they aren't anymore. Warrior 32 now equals bauer 33

It was mostly to show that the thighrises were identical 

38 minutes ago, Toobs said:

What’s the +1.5 equivalent to though? Like Brian’s 1.5 is similar to other brands +2. Is warrior the same or is it more of a normal 1.5.

 

And so you’re saying going with a 34 G7 might be too small for me?

Here's my 33 ultrasonics and rgt2s together. 

Borg brands are +1.5 thighrises

Hank in a Brian's C/A. Dude has always been in a Vaughn, I wonder if playing with Shesterkin had some influence? 

2 hours ago, Toobs said:

How accurate is warriors size chart? Never tried warrior gear before but thinking of giving some G7s a go. Their chart puts me in a 35 based on FTK, feels big considering I wear a 33 in Vaughn and am between a 33 and 34 in true (use 34s just cause I like the way they sit with how I strap them). I do wear a large in Bauer tho.

 

also, how does the warrior thigh rise compare to trues/Vaughn/Brian’s?

37 minutes ago, ilyazhito said:

Large in Bauer is, at least nominally, a 35" pad. That said, Warrior runs small. I would need a 36" Warrior pad.

Warrior has a 1.5" thigh rise as stock. 

I'm in the same size Bauer (33) as I have been in Warrior rgt, rgt2, and G5. 

The g6/7 supposedly runs taller. I've been advised I'd be in a 32" now. 

2 minutes ago, Lucky Pucker said:

I thought pornos usually start with the cable going out, repairman shows up, and then next thing you know… Logjammin!

 

Did you dust off the ol' VCR for this post?