Chenner29

That curve, shaved paddle shoulder, and color way are very appealing to me. What paddle size and where did you get it?

LOL "cowboy"? - I'm not the one chasing after miniscule weight savings... Yes I "weighed them" - did you compare them to your numbers before posting? Did you even think about how you wanted your post to come across? Because based on your numbers: Warrior SENIOR glove is 31 oz; Lefevre PRO glove is 35 oz, net difference 4 oz Warrior SENIOR blocker is 30oz; Lefevre PRO blocker is 31 oz, net difference 1 oz Total net difference 5 oz, or a deck of cards. Yes, I guess we should "slow down" for you.

FWIW, I just put in 2” ProLace Hybrids with an extra knot at the end. I’ll be skating tonight and tomorrow and will report back in. This sort of echoes my experience with Reebok Premiers - they had to be worn loose top to bottom to perform. I think I have been trying to wear my 20.1 like an Eflex.

50mm is tiny, 5cm or just under 2". I wanna say what you are experiencing is better glide because (I'm guessing) you were in forward motion with weight on the 50mm flat section of the blade Funny enough, I found a new local skate guy and gave him my steel to work on. I picked them up last night and it turns out we know a lot of the same folks. I've been getting free sharpenings from the local pro shop as I know most of the guys there. He showed me that the edges were misaligned on one of my runners (outside edge higher than inside). My other runner was completely flat in the back half. I've learned a little bit talking to skate guys over the years, but I learned a ton from this guy. My understanding breaks down as such: There are several different types of ProSharp templates - he had about a dozen stored on his machine. Templates resemble steel rulers with different radii cut out at the bottom (see below) Each template also has a center point, which typically aligns with the center line on your steel. This center point is generally the "highest" (when looking at steel from the bottom up) In order to achieve a forward pitch, the profile template is brought back towards the heel of the steel. The exact amount of this changes depending on how much pitch is requested.

Goalie SAM is a 50mm flat spot in the center of the blade, not to be confused with a radius.

So translated to pounds and ounces, glove is 1 lb 15.2 ish oz, blocker is about 1 lb 14.08 oz. Are they pro or senior? Going through your post history, someone is mentioning you got non-pro, intermediate level gear, and we're trying to compare apples to apples here...

You're still on the weight train? I'll add @BadAngle41's Bauer 2x and Axis weights in here so you can compare. Winners are in green italics. Would love to put Warriors up here as well. Pads Lefevre 20.1 (33+1.5, 2 leather straps): 4 lb 7.4 oz EF4 (33+2, 2 plastic straps): 5 lb 1.2 oz 2X Pro (no boot strap): 4 lb 9.6 oz Axis (33+1): 4 lb 8.9 oz Glove Lefevre 20.1 (double tee, leather wrist strap): 2 lb 3.7 oz EF4 (double tee, leather wrist strap): 2 lb 9.6 oz 2x Pro: 2 lb 6.7 oz Axis (w/D3O): 2 lb 8.9 oz Blocker Lefevre 20.1: 1 lb 15.3 oz EF4: 2 lb 0.2 oz 2X Pro: 2 lb 2 oz Axis (one piece cuff): 1 lb 14.1 oz As far as rotation goes, yes - I have had more success getting the pad to rotate with loose FRS. Sliding has improved as I've strapped the FRS looser.

Weights (and vs EF4): Pads Lefevre 20.1 (33+1.5, 2 leather straps): 4 lb 7.4 oz EF4 (33+2, 2 plastic straps): 5 lb 1.2 oz Glove Lefevre 20.1 (double tee, leather wrist strap): 2 lb 3.7 oz EF4 (double tee, leather wrist strap): 2 lb 9.6 oz Blocker Lefevre 20.1: 1 lb 15.3 oz EF4: 2 lb 0.2 oz

You sound like an anti-masker

Ah Fisher Price. Carey's long lost brother

You've made 720+ posts on the forum and you never mentioned an issue with your vision...

Why didn't you buy Lefevres and why is my gear cooler than yours?

Weird story about the order. So I placed my initial order direct through Lefevre in March/April in US Dollars. I found out a week later that ordering in CAD would save me a ton of money. Lefevre wouldn't re-bill me in CAD so I placed my order through a Canadian retailer, saving me almost $500. Order went through with the retailer on May 18th after Lefevre reopened after Covid. Retailer got them on 8/7, so about 11/12 weeks. I didn't use the website tracker.

Good point; I do feel them hang off the leg a bit as I’m mid-drop. Got three more lined up this week, one pickup tonight and one tomorrow. Target practice on Saturday

What to cover next in future installments Fastglide v Speedskin Glove thumb shape comparison (20.1 v EF4) ??? Ask questions if you have them.

[Blocked] Review 2 (60 days)

[Blocked] Review 1 (30 days) (I'll add pics later, I promise - it's late but I want to put my thoughts in tonight) Gotta beat @BadAngle41 to the punch...Lefevre users are punctual and deliver as promised. I've been putting in 4-5 skates a week with these things for the past month and feel like I've kind of dialed them in. I have them for sale currently, and another set on order (going from a 33+1.5 to a 32+2.5), but may actually hold on to them and put them into a rotation when the new set comes in. RE: FRS. There is definitely an adjustment period with the FRS. It's funny, when you look back at the old Koho by Lefevre designs, you had a minimal leg channel. Now with the FRS, it's gotten a bit busier. I've found that if you set up the FRS wrong, it will hinder rotation a bit - you need to keep tweaking it to get to a good place. I ended up drilling extra holes into the toe bridge towards the inside and adding extra slack to the toe lace to accommodate, as I have pretty restricted hip mobility. I found my sweet spot on the FRS to be the middle "rib" on the top calf strap, and the loosest possible setting on the bottom strap. RE: Fastglide. I honestly had a lot of beef with Fastglide when I first started skating in these. Fastglide plays incredibly well on a fresh sheet, to the point where it almost feels too fast - on the flip side, it seemed to play very poorly at the end of a session. It's summertime, and I'm in SoCal. There's very few rinks open with Covid going on, and the one that I've been skating in the most has very choppy ice. It almost felt like I was trying to slide on roller hockey Sportcourt at the end of my sessions. However, I made some adjustments with the toe and FRS, and it seems to have evened out these last two or three skates. I'll keep putting more time in them and report back on this - I have two more skates this week. I am starting to believe it was a rotational issue that was inhibiting the slide. Overall Outside of the Fastglide and rotation issues (which might be fixed?) I am really loving the gear (obviously, I ordered a second set). It's a joy to take shots off the pads in the butterfly as rebounds are very predictable, and the squareness, seal and consistent feel in the butterfly are unreal. The wrist mobility in both the glove and blocker have been welcome improvements - it is much easier to present the whole piece of equipment to the shot.

Rolling train of thought updates. I'll continue to edit this throughout the review period. Having it here grants me easy updates through mobile. Almost like a Facebook status for my thoughts on the gear

These arrived this past Friday. It looks like a few folks on the board have put their orders through with Lefevre, but I thought I'd put a couple words together to talk about the gear. I am also working with @BadAngle41 on doing a compare/contrast, along with Eflex 4. The CCM/Lefevre split was announced in late 2019, and by January Lefevre had started to put out promotional material on their social media advertising their new lines. The 20.1 really caught my eye as something that blends their Premier and Extreme Flex style pads, along with some new tech. I've only skated in them once, so this first write up will be a broad level overview with pictures to start. I'm hoping I have the time to dive in later to dig in on some of the features. I'll block out some space beneath to make my train of thought easier to follow. Glove I specced a 580 break, and I wanted the first picture I share to show why I think so many people peg it as a very natural glove to catch with. Here I've got my hand at 3 o'clock and the T is pointing almost straight up, as if my fingers were at 1 o'clock. Great for positioning over a rising shot. When you're in a blocking butterfly with arms tight, the T actually kicks out horizontally when your fingers are facing 6 o'clock. IIRC, this break was initially released as the Koho 560 in 1998, so it's old enough to buy alcohol and cigarettes now. Despite being over 20 years old, IMO it's the best designed glove for the modern game. It looks and feels like they re-shaped the thumb angle. It dips a little more dramatically. Backhand shot. They reworked the back protection and the cuff. There's a bit more room at the cuff to angle the glove forward now. Side shot here, you can see the floating cuff (where your hand goes in) actually comes off pretty aggressively away from the blocking cuff now. You can also see they eliminated the finger loops and replaced them for these velcro adjustable tabs to tweak your thumb and pinky finger positioning inside the glove. Inside. Not much has changed here boys. Blocker I specced the 595 upon recommendation from Lefevre. They didn't really explain what the 605 was. I pulled up the customizer just now, and it looks like you can't even order the 605 anymore. Board is nice and solid. I'm a big fan of the straightened out finger protection. Biggest change this year was the cuff. The half piece cuff opens up quite a bit (see right). Plenty of flex and room for play as I had it configured on the left, though. I also think they moved the wrist strap a little more down towards the hand to help grant more mobility here. Pads The graphic is a little meh and the logo placement leave a bit to be desired. But it's workable. I specced their new sliding material ("Fastglide") on the inner edge. I'd say it's faster than Speedskin, but not as fast as CORTech. Side profile. I miss the days of stitched on logos, don't like the look of the fully embroidered logo. They thinned it out the pad a lot on the outer edge, but the boot is still chubby (more on this later). Opened up leg channel Calf wedge side of the leg channel. There's a small soft pillow here. You can really feel the pad seal the ice at the calf with these on. I specced for a red FRS channel and velcro straps. They agreed to do it, but only got the velcro straps correct. Not too stressed about it. Backside of boot. It's totally flat, so the pads sit higher than expected. I put in for a 33+1.5 but I could realistically have done 33+1. I highly recommend the ProLace Hybrids as the extra slack lets you point your toes a little better. Top view, you can see how the pad gets thicker as it gets to the left (landing side). There's a hefty, dense chunk of foam on the landing side, presumably for stability in the butterfly. Small gripe here. I'm kind of disappointed they didn't find a way to thin out the boot. It's pretty girthy, and I don't know if a modern pad needs that much stability in the boot.

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you on this. The extra arm shields made it impossible to bend the arms, so they came right out. If you get it, I'd ask for a smaller shield there. The one he gave me covered the entire upper bicep. I'd snap a pic for you, but they're somewhere in my office and I can't find them. I've actually been playing well with my CCM Pro Spec unit so I'm not changing for the time being.

Man, going off some of your posts, you know more about what's going on with "your buddy's" gear than I do about my own

I don't know, I never used 1S or 2S. I demoed 1X pads when they were still new. Never tried the gloves. Finger protection on the US felt a little sloppy, like it would impede the stick.

I didn't like the index finger protection on the blocker

Not really an action photo, but I got to share the same ice surface as Justin Pogge yesterday morning. Super cool dude.