TheGoalNet Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 I am looking for a decent supplier of Ti cages that is not retail. From what I can tell, OTNY / Goalieparts is only doing steel. Any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonPost Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Masked Marvel offers them for there mask. Maybe the have a model that matches up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 goaliecages.com ? thats my best guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Scott said: goaliecages.com ? thats my best guess Think they only do stainless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ULTIMA Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 I do recall hearing that Warwick offered titanium cages but that was sometime ago, you'd have to inquire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ17 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 17 minutes ago, ULTIMA said: I do recall hearing that Warwick offered titanium cages but that was sometime ago, you'd have to inquire. From my personal experience with Warwick, Warwick can only do a titanium cat-eye, if that's a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 I will ask @Joe Messina and go out from there. My Ti CCM pro stock cages are amazing. It's a shame they cannot get these to a retail friendly price point or that one of the smaller companies is not offering a similar product for sale. I would love to get one of these on my VTX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadAngle41 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 34 minutes ago, TheGoalNet said: I will ask @Joe Messina and go out from there. My Ti CCM pro stock cages are amazing. It's a shame they cannot get these to a retail friendly price point or that one of the smaller companies is not offering a similar product for sale. I would love to get one of these on my VTX In reading up on Ti vs. Stainless Steel, I'm seeing a 40%-50% weight reduction when using Ti (depending on the alloy) with a minimal reduction in strength when compared to Stainless. Is that the sole reason you're looking for a Ti cage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 @BadAngle41 - Yes, I found the helmet feels more balanced and less noticeable with the TI cages. It's one of those ignorance is bliss things. I never had an issue until I tried Ti. Pat Lefebvre said the NHL guys in CCM buckets are 50/50 between a Ti and Stainless. The benefit to steel is that more flexible it will bend and take more of an abuse than Ti. When Ti starts to become compromised, it can snap or fracture. It also has a lot more stress during it's welding process. If it is not heat treated properly, it's like a giant compacted spring waiting to explode free and it stays in that state. That is why so many people have issues welding Ti cages. The bars literally want to separate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadAngle41 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, TheGoalNet said: @BadAngle41 - Yes, I found the helmet feels more balanced and less noticeable with the TI cages. It's one of those ignorance is bliss things. I never had an issue until I tried Ti. Pat Lefebvre said the NHL guys in CCM buckets are 50/50 between a Ti and Stainless. The benefit to steel is that more flexible it will bend and take more of an abuse than Ti. When Ti starts to become compromised, it can snap or fracture. It has also has a lot more stress during it's welding process. If it is not heat treated properly, it's like a giant compacted spring waiting to explode and stays in that state. That is why so many people have issues welding Ti cages. Gotta love a little metallurgy in the morning!! I'd be interested in having one made for my Wall if you find someone. Been meaning to have the stock stainless powder coated as the white paint is chipping off... but might as well look into a whole cage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 12 minutes ago, TheGoalNet said: @BadAngle41 - Yes, I found the helmet feels more balanced and less noticeable with the TI cages. It's one of those ignorance is bliss things. I never had an issue until I tried Ti. Pat Lefebvre said the NHL guys in CCM buckets are 50/50 between a Ti and Stainless. The benefit to steel is that more flexible it will bend and take more of an abuse than Ti. When Ti starts to become compromised, it can snap or fracture. It also has a lot more stress during it's welding process. If it is not heat treated properly, it's like a giant compacted spring waiting to explode free and it stays in that state. That is why so many people have issues welding Ti cages. The bars literally want to separate. That also contributes to the high cost. On several interviews with Ti bike makers, welding IS the biggest component of the cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, bunnyman666 said: That also contributes to the high cost. On several interviews with Ti bike makers, welding IS the biggest component of the cost. Ti material is also 3x - 5x more expensive than steel too. Depends on the grade of ti compared to the grade of steel. So the raw wire cost is a big factor too. Summary: Raw materials cost more, it's harder to manufacture, and the finish product has a higher liability = Bad for retail and/or mass production Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Just now, TheGoalNet said: Ti material is also 3x - 5x more expensive than steel too. Depends on the grade of ti compared to the grade of steel. So the raw wire cost is a big factor too. Oh no, for certain! Ti is not cheap, but fabrication costs are actually a much bigger factor for the cost according to cycling companies whom I spoke with all those years back. From what one told me, there were rejects coming from the most experienced welders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 Struck out everywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 An old friend of mine would have built you a cage (as he used to machine the ti parts for bike frames and handlebars), but he moved away and we lost contact. He could get the REALLY good stuff, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadAngle41 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 It's ok... even a roided up A-Rod struck out sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadAngle41 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, bunnyman666 said: An old friend of mine would have built you a cage (as he used to machine the ti parts for bike frames and handlebars), but he moved away and we lost contact. He could get the REALLY good stuff, too. Not sure what's worse... not being able to source one... or knowing there is a guy who could but we can't get a hold of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 45 minutes ago, BadAngle41 said: Not sure what's worse... not being able to source one... or knowing there is a guy who could but we can't get a hold of him. It’s more frustrating that I can’t reach my old buddy, fo sho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 I could get one 3D printed, but I don't know if I want to be the guinea pig for that though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Print one, take it to a puck cannon. If it works, get another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, bunnyman666 said: Print one, take it to a puck cannon. If it works, get another. haha, the cages would cost more than the mask. Let alone the testing, ahah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, TheGoalNet said: haha, the cages would cost more than the mask. Let alone the testing, ahah You’d be the only, and I mean ONLY one with a 3D printed cage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 3 hours ago, bunnyman666 said: You’d be the only, and I mean ONLY one with a 3D printed cage... It would work. ti64 parts are flying in GE jet engines and used as implants for spinal surgery, hip replacement etc. There's also a nice niche with it in your beloved bike market... But yeah, I would need a real engineer involved if I were going to attempt it! I know it would work. I don't know if I am the guy to make it work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 38 minutes ago, TheGoalNet said: It would work. ti64 parts are flying in GE jet engines and used as implants for spinal surgery, hip replacement etc. There's also a nice niche with it in your beloved bike market... But yeah, I would need a real engineer involved if I were going to attempt it! I know it would work. I don't know if I am the guy to make it work... Sure there is. I used 6/4 Ti as bottom bracket shells, head tubes, and machined parts. I think you should try it!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostender Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just mill it out of a solid billet and there won't be any welding issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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