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indykrap

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Hey all, 

Just curious if any of you do any sort of honing or sharpening touch-ups between proper sharpens. I've had a sweet stick (this thing) in my kit for a long time and forgot why I bought it, but recently saw another goalie use one and do some passes of his skates before a game. Just wondering if there was any advice or recommended better goalie-specific version.

From what I can tell from Youtube and searching around here, one pass (light pressure) does the job just fine to give back an edge. For context, I'm using Bauer Vapor x900s with PulseTI steel in 1/2" cut and stock profile (30'). They're perfect on the first two skates, but I find on the 3rd and 4th skate after a sharpen I could definitely benefit from a little more bite. 

 

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I've used a sweet stick a couple of times as a player, and each time I messed it up. Once it felt way too sharp and the other I must've went over the edge too close as I took out all of the outside edge (I was told to use very light pressure next time). Maybe I would do it in an emergency, but I'd rather stay away from it. 

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I use a honing stone before every skate just to remove any knicks caused by hitting the posts, but I've always been wary of using a sweet stick.

No idea if it's true, but I've been led to believe that it changes (not sure how) the actual edge/sharpening in order to work. So the next time you get them sharpened correctly, there's more steel that needs to be removed to get a proper edge again.

No idea if that's bullshit or not, but that's currently my knowledge on them. 

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Sweetstik is utter crap and should be avoided like the plague.   For every person who knows how to use it for 1-2 properly aligned gentle passes I probably saw 20-30 pairs of skates with edges folded over and completely ruined.  We had one absolute psycho customer who would get his skates sharpened every 2 months or so, SweetStik them before every game, and bitch up a storm because the store I worked at "wore his blades out by crossgrinding them every time".   Well, if you didn't wreck your blades we wouldn't have to waste our time crossgrinding them...  /rant

If you don't have DLC or a mirror finish on your blades, a honing stone is fine.   1-2 gentle passes is more than enough.  If you can't solve the damage with that, it's time to get 'em sharpened.

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I use this one and have for years. One gentle pass before each game. I don’t get my skates sharpened often, maybe once every few months give or take. Immediately after sharpening I won’t use this but maybe after my third game I’ll start using it again. Works good for me. I have Graf 750 Goaler Pros sharpened at 1/2”.

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In emergency, one light pass and it is ok for next ice or two, sometimes even more. Then I´ll usualy go for sharpening. Sometimes I saw players at locker room who use it repeatedly forth and back (with no good result, because it is the case "I didn´t sharpen my skates..again"). It is for removing nicks not sharpenig skates... 

 

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8 hours ago, mik said:

In emergency, one light pass and it is ok for next ice or two, sometimes even more. Then I´ll usualy go for sharpening. Sometimes I saw players at locker room who use it repeatedly forth and back (with no good result, because it is the case "I didn´t sharpen my skates..again"). It is for removing nicks not sharpenig skates... 

 

The issue with doing it hard, or repeatedly (as you know @mik, but for others who may not) is that it folds the edges of the blade so they end up looking like this: (_) instead of this: |_| .   Once you bend the edge in, it's more vulnerable to folding down onto the blade completely or breaking off.     Sharpening isn't pricy and it actually helps your steel last longer if you do it before crossgrinding is needed.   For that matter steel is cheap compared to the pain of a sprained MCL or torn groin because your skate blade failed on you while trying to react.   Mik and WillyGrips understand how to use this tool correctly, but the vast majority of the hockey community simply does not and believes that if one light pass is good, 10 firm passes must be better.  A gentle pass from a honing stone aligned flat along the blade is the best way to remove a burr after sharpening or nicks between trips to the sharpener.  

1 hour ago, indykrap said:

Thanks! I have the same kind, so I'll order one to try that.

I also have one of the gummy ones.   It does still wear away a tiny bit of the coating on my LS5G blades, but we all know the black coating on those is crap anyway.  Otherwise a regular fine grain India oil stone will work wonders.   I'm a big fan of Norton as a brand Link or Link but any decent brand of oil or water stone is good enough for deburring skates.  

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1 hour ago, Puckstopper said:

 

The issue with doing it hard, or repeatedly (as you know @mik, but for others who may not) is that it folds the edges of the blade so they end up looking like this: (_) instead of this: |_| .   Once you bend the edge in, it's more vulnerable to folding down onto the blade completely or breaking off.     Sharpening isn't pricy and it actually helps your steel last longer if you do it before crossgrinding is needed.   For that matter steel is cheap compared to the pain of a sprained MCL or torn groin because your skate blade failed on you while trying to react.   Mik and WillyGrips understand how to use this tool correctly, but the vast majority of the hockey community simply does not and believes that if one light pass is good, 10 firm passes must be better.  A gentle pass from a honing stone aligned flat along the blade is the best way to remove a burr after sharpening or nicks between trips to the sharpener.  

I also have one of the gummy ones.   It does still wear away a tiny bit of the coating on my LS5G blades, but we all know the black coating on those is crap anyway.  Otherwise a regular fine grain India oil stone will work wonders.   I'm a big fan of Norton as a brand Link or Link but any decent brand of oil or water stone is good enough for deburring skates.  

Thanks!

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