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Here's the custom scanning process:

 

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Interesting how quick the scanning process was. True/VH uses the same type of iPad attachment and that scanning process took much longer for me. 

Curious to see how they work out for you. My Trues are starting to fall apart and can't decide on the next pair considering all three offer custom boots now.

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13 minutes ago, Aquilzz said:

Interesting how quick the scanning process was. True/VH uses the same type of iPad attachment and that scanning process took much longer for me. 

Curious to see how they work out for you. My Trues are starting to fall apart and can't decide on the next pair considering all three offer custom boots now.

I will keep you posted. I will have mine next week. I got the custom bake. Not the full custom.

Custom bake = Made a 3D physical model of your foot, tie in the skate, put in a special oven, and it allows the boot the change shape more

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9 hours ago, TheGoalNet said:

I will keep you posted. I will have mine next week. I got the custom bake. Not the full custom.

Custom bake = Made a 3D physical model of your foot, tie in the skate, put in a special oven, and it allows the boot the change shape more

Ah okay, seems like the custom bake is a really good option to get. Do they just ship stock skates from overseas and do the heat process in Quebec? 

Wonder how Bauer is gonna do their customs. Not sure if they have a custom bake/total custom like CCM. Most likely the same process as their player stuff, but I'm not entirely sure how they do those either.

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12 hours ago, Aquilzz said:

Ah okay, seems like the custom bake is a really good option to get. Do they just ship stock skates from overseas and do the heat process in Quebec? 

Wonder how Bauer is gonna do their customs. Not sure if they have a custom bake/total custom like CCM. Most likely the same process as their player stuff, but I'm not entirely sure how they do those either.

Yes, I believe they just pull a pair of skates from inventory and bake them. Will confirm this.  

100% full custom are made in Canada. 

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Here they are! 

Of note...

3D Molded - NOT full custom = Made in Vietnam and baked in Canada 

By size chart, I’m a 10.5D usually. I’ve worn both 10.5 and 10 in Bauer over the past few years. 10.5 One100, 1S 10D, and 2S 10D. In Bauer world I think my best for goal is Vapor and I’m currently in Supreme 2S Pro.

I prefer a more snug skate and default to 10D. In a 10, my toes barely graze the toe cap if I try. In a 10.5, I believe my skates fit “technically” correct and there’s just a small gap between my toes and the cap. 

I would say these fit like 10.5 Bauer One100 for length. I’ve pulled out the footbed to check size and it’s pretty solid. 

I let the machine do it’s magic here and I’m an 11D. Please note, based on the fitting video... I’m a Tacks foot 

Im sharing this for reference, because I was shocked when the 11D showed up!

I was guessing I’d get a 10 or 10.5. As the custom molding program transforms and shapes the boot more than the regular bake, I’m guessing the larger size was used to stretch around my foot that isn’t naturally a JetSpeed boot?

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skates are looking really good. I'm seriously considering getting these in the future at some point, but I dont know if I trust the mechanism for taking out the blade.

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7 hours ago, southpawtendy48 said:

skates are looking really good. I'm seriously considering getting these in the future at some point, but I dont know if I trust the mechanism for taking out the blade.

Why are you skeptical of the mechanism? 

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15 minutes ago, TheGoalNet said:

Why are you skeptical of the mechanism? 

That looks to be one of the most secure mechanisms, frankly. I’d trust that holder MUCH MORE than the Vertexx holder. 

What happened to the kinda cowling? It was never available off of a skate, though it looks like one could make one out of a Prolite cowl. Notice those cowls are already on clearance...

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2 hours ago, bunnyman666 said:

That looks to be one of the most secure mechanisms, frankly. I’d trust that holder MUCH MORE than the Vertexx holder. 

What happened to the kinda cowling? It was never available off of a skate, though it looks like one could make one out of a Prolite cowl. Notice those cowls are already on clearance...

Bauer is still available to order. You’d have to check the CCM catalog to see if you can get theirs. 

The reality is that traditional retail customers don’t want a cowling anymore. They’ll be available via custom orders or after market 

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2 minutes ago, TheGoalNet said:

Bauer is still available to order. You’d have to check the CCM catalog to see if you can get theirs. 

The reality is that traditional retail customers don’t want a cowling anymore. They’ll be available via custom orders or after market 

I am not all that worried about the lack of ready availability of a cowling on the retail level. I already have a solution in the works and I am ready for when I have exhausted my supply of Step Black Steel for my Vaughn cowls. I will be testing it with a set of the CCM holders when available as a replacement piece. I think a LOT of the problems with the Bauer holder has been addressed by the design of the CCM holder. 

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13 hours ago, TheGoalNet said:

Here they are! 

Of note...

3D Molded - NOT full custom = Made in Vietnam and baked in Canada 

By size chart, I’m a 10.5D usually. I’ve worn both 10.5 and 10 in Bauer over the past few years. 10.5 One100, 1S 10D, and 2S 10D. In Bauer world I think my best for goal is Vapor and I’m currently in Supreme 2S Pro.

I prefer a more snug skate and default to 10D. In a 10, my toes barely graze the toe cap if I try. In a 10.5, I believe my skates fit “technically” correct and there’s just a small gap between my toes and the cap. 

I would say these fit like 10.5 Bauer One100 for length. I’ve pulled out the footbed to check size and it’s pretty solid. 

I let the machine do it’s magic here and I’m an 11D. Please note, based on the fitting video... I’m a Tacks foot 

Im sharing this for reference, because I was shocked when the 11D showed up!

I was guessing I’d get a 10 or 10.5. As the custom molding program transforms and shapes the boot more than the regular bake, I’m guessing the larger size was used to stretch around my foot that isn’t naturally a JetSpeed boot?

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These look amazing. How’s the fit in the heel? I was very close to waiting for these but went with the true 1 piece. The fit is so locked in with the True boot. It actually takes some extra effort to pull them off!

can you do a height comparison picture next to your 2s? Would be interested to see how the height stacks up versus True and Bauer competition.

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6 hours ago, TheGoalNet said:

Why are you skeptical of the mechanism? 

I’m not too concerned about it, but it’s something worth mentioning. Maybe a puck could hit the black plastic part. 

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7 minutes ago, southpawtendy48 said:

I’m not too concerned about it, but it’s something worth mentioning. Maybe a puck could hit the black plastic part. 

You turn that bit to release of engage the runner. It looks to be made of metal.  I also think you lock it from the rear. I have seen the video. It takes more time to remove and replace runners than the Bauer, but addresses many of the shortcomings, as well. 

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26 minutes ago, bunnyman666 said:

You turn that bit to release of engage the runner. It looks to be made of metal.  I also think you lock it from the rear. I have seen the video. It takes more time to remove and replace runners than the Bauer, but addresses many of the shortcomings, as well. 

Those shortcomings being: the blade's tendency to pop out of the runner if the puck hits them hard and square, and, the difficulty of putting blades back into the runner mid-game?

If it solves those issues, I'll look at getting new skates sooner rather than later.

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3 minutes ago, CJ Boiss said:

Those shortcomings being: the blade's tendency to pop out of the runner if the puck hits them hard and square, and, the difficulty of putting blades back into the runner mid-game?

If it solves those issues, I'll look at getting new skates sooner rather than later.

It looks that way. After all- you have to tighten and loosen them. If a shot pops the blade out, it ruins these holders and would have likely ruined a holder without the mechanism.

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15 hours ago, southpawtendy48 said:

skates are looking really good. I'm seriously considering getting these in the future at some point, but I dont know if I trust the mechanism for taking out the blade.

One issue with the Bauer holder is that if the trigger breaks internally, you must replace the entire holder.
With the CCM holder, if the mechanism breaks, CCM claims the parts will be available at retail for replacement, so you wouldn't need to buy a new holder, mount it, etc.

17 hours ago, TheGoalNet said:

Here they are! 

Of note...

3D Molded - NOT full custom = Made in Vietnam and baked in Canada 

By size chart, I’m a 10.5D usually. I’ve worn both 10.5 and 10 in Bauer over the past few years. 10.5 One100, 1S 10D, and 2S 10D. In Bauer world I think my best for goal is Vapor and I’m currently in Supreme 2S Pro.

I prefer a more snug skate and default to 10D. In a 10, my toes barely graze the toe cap if I try. In a 10.5, I believe my skates fit “technically” correct and there’s just a small gap between my toes and the cap.  

I would say these fit like 10.5 Bauer One100 for length. I’ve pulled out the footbed to check size and it’s pretty solid. 

I let the machine do it’s magic here and I’m an 11D. Please note, based on the fitting video... I’m a Tacks foot  

Im sharing this for reference, because I was shocked when the 11D showed up!

I was guessing I’d get a 10 or 10.5. As the custom molding program transforms and shapes the boot more than the regular bake, I’m guessing the larger size was used to stretch around my foot that isn’t naturally a JetSpeed boot? 

I'm surprised they gave you the 3D Mold option as I understand it is going away. The options at retail now are "Total Custom", which is replacing 3D Mold, and "Total Custom Plus".
Total Custom, the now "basic" custom option, would allow quarter sizing and different sized skates, which was previously not available with 3D Mold, which was just stock retail skates with your foot mold baked/pressed using CCM's machines.
I believe the Total Customs are made in Canada, too.

The 3D Mold program is "dumb" in the sense that it looks at the size recommended by the scanner, which in this case was 11 because of your larger foot.  It makes sense in some ways because you don't want to shove your larger foot in a skate that's a size too small - you might not be able to even get it on. What kind of custom program would that be? But you could put your small foot into a larger boot. The fit might not be optimal, but at least you'd be able to play and skate in it.
 

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1 hour ago, bunnyman666 said:

You turn that bit to release of engage the runner. It looks to be made of metal.  I also think you lock it from the rear. I have seen the video. It takes more time to remove and replace runners than the Bauer, but addresses many of the shortcomings, as well. 

It does, but bauer takes more strength it seems. i always have a hard time switching out my blades and have to have my dad do it lol.

some tool in LA ruined the mechanism on my bauer skate, broke the plastic on the inside of the the trigger that sort of hooks to the blade, i still have nightmares from that. i'm hoping i'll have less risk of it breaking with the ccm.

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21 minutes ago, southpawtendy48 said:

It does, but bauer takes more strength it seems. i always have a hard time switching out my blades and have to have my dad do it lol.

some tool in LA ruined the mechanism on my bauer skate, broke the plastic on the inside of the the trigger that sort of hooks to the blade, i still have nightmares from that. i'm hoping i'll have less risk of it breaking with the ccm.

The Bauer always seemed wonky to me.

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40 minutes ago, bunnyman666 said:

The Bauer always seemed wonky to me.

Yeah. Give it to the wrong person and they can pretty much break your skate holders. 

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6 hours ago, southpawtendy48 said:

I’m not too concerned about it, but it’s something worth mentioning. Maybe a puck could hit the black plastic part. 

Anything is possible, but I think this system is designed to be less prone to pop outs than a trigger. If the dial breaks, your runner is probably stuck in the holder

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5 hours ago, ZeroGravitas said:

One issue with the Bauer holder is that if the trigger breaks internally, you must replace the entire holder.
With the CCM holder, if the mechanism breaks, CCM claims the parts will be available at retail for replacement, so you wouldn't need to buy a new holder, mount it, etc.

I'm surprised they gave you the 3D Mold option as I understand it is going away. The options at retail now are "Total Custom", which is replacing 3D Mold, and "Total Custom Plus".
Total Custom, the now "basic" custom option, would allow quarter sizing and different sized skates, which was previously not available with 3D Mold, which was just stock retail skates with your foot mold baked/pressed using CCM's machines.
I believe the Total Customs are made in Canada, too.

The 3D Mold program is "dumb" in the sense that it looks at the size recommended by the scanner, which in this case was 11 because of your larger foot.  It makes sense in some ways because you don't want to shove your larger foot in a skate that's a size too small - you might not be able to even get it on. What kind of custom program would that be? But you could put your small foot into a larger boot. The fit might not be optimal, but at least you'd be able to play and skate in it.
 

This was provided because it’s what’s available right now, haha

I am aware CCM is revising the custom program. I don’t have all the new details yes. 

As I mentioned above, the skates are maybe .5 size bigger than I’d “pick”, but that doesn’t mean I was picking the “appropriate” size before. One ice testing will be the proving grounds 

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37 minutes ago, TheGoalNet said:

As I mentioned above, the skates are maybe .5 size bigger than I’d “pick”, but that doesn’t mean I was picking the “appropriate” size before. One ice testing will be the proving grounds  

My thoughts about sizing were based on your quote:

On 4/20/2019 at 6:57 PM, TheGoalNet said:

I let the machine do it’s magic here and I’m an 11D. Please note, based on the fitting video... I’m a Tacks foot 

Im sharing this for reference, because I was shocked when the 11D showed up! 

I was guessing I’d get a 10 or 10.5. As the custom molding program transforms and shapes the boot more than the regular bake, I’m guessing the larger size was used to stretch around my foot that isn’t naturally a JetSpeed boot? 

From the way I read the second quote previously, I thought you were surprised that a size 11 skate showed up at your door/at CCM.

But reading it again, it sounds like you thought the CCM scan would say you were a 10 or 10.5, and you were surprised that the CCM scan returned a result with size 11D.

Please excuse my lack of reading comprehension. 😭

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5 hours ago, TheGoalNet said:

Anything is possible, but I think this system is designed to be less prone to pop outs than a trigger. If the dial breaks, your runner is probably stuck in the holder

I personally never experienced popouts with mine, as I said, some some guy broke part of the mechanism on one of my skates. I think now it'll be less prone to breaking/popping out in the ccm.

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4 hours ago, southpawtendy48 said:

I personally never experienced popouts with mine, as I said, some some guy broke part of the mechanism on one of my skates. I think now it'll be less prone to breaking/popping out in the ccm.

My concern with the Bauers was around the mechanism breaking more so than blade pop outs, though after seeing Rask’s blade pop out last year, it certainly made the pop outs more of a thing for me. The fact that I have seen blades getting hammered in with a mallet made me suspicious. But as I say- if the blade is popping out, isn’t it because the mechanism could be faulty? Custom Skate Works has developed a few tools for the Bauer holder, which to me, signals that the holder was not developed with enough tools to prevent malfunction. I trust Joe’s smarts (Joe from CSW is local to me and was the only one who would touch my skates until I couldn’t use him any longer; one chief reason why Sparx got into my life). 

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