Urabus33 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 35+2 SLR Pro carbon (bottom pic) vs 33+2 SLR2 (top pic) diffrrent sizes but still heavier regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanG Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 7 hours ago, Urabus33 said: 35+2 SLR Pro carbon (bottom pic) vs 33+2 SLR2 (top pic) diffrrent sizes but still heavier regardless. That's a significant discrepancy, given the size as well. I wonder why the SLR2 is so heavy in comparison? I thought they were eliminating weight by shaving down the outer rolls. @TheGoalNet do you have any insider info on this? It seems like an extreme difference, and not in the 'right' direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 14 hours ago, Urabus33 said: 35+2 SLR Pro carbon (bottom pic) vs 33+2 SLR2 (top pic) diffrrent sizes but still heavier regardless. Are either of these pro stock or both retail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urabus33 Posted April 14, 2019 Author Share Posted April 14, 2019 2 hours ago, TheGoalNet said: Are either of these pro stock or both retail? Both retail models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 6 hours ago, Urabus33 said: Both retail models What size was each pad please? Will follow up with Vaughn, but need specifics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 34 minutes ago, TheGoalNet said: What size was each pad please? Will follow up with Vaughn, but need specifics My first question is if both of them had the RRC strap, but from what I saw, the lighter one had the RRC strap. I will say that the RRC strap, along with the Kenesky version, are the two NICEST executions of the professor strap. The K strap from Monster was a good start, but unfortunately very primitive and prone to failure and constant replacement. The new Vaughn version of the professor strap is going to add weight, even over a few leather straps, as it is pretty complex. I wonder if the weight increase as an anchor on the leg does not have much affect, much like on a bicycle with a heavy hub and a light rim. On bikes, two different five pound wheels (which would be heavy, by the way) can have entirely different performance characteristics; the wheel where most of the weight at the hub will perform MUCH better than the wheel where most of the weight is at the rim. The performance difference is drastic. Did both versions have the magnetic buckles? That is a nice system (I have that on my V-elite pro pads), but adds weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanG Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 On 4/13/2019 at 6:12 AM, Urabus33 said: 35+2 SLR Pro carbon (bottom pic) vs 33+2 SLR2 (top pic) diffrrent sizes but still heavier regardless. 5 hours ago, TheGoalNet said: What size was each pad please? Will follow up with Vaughn, but need specifics See above post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 2 hours ago, TitanG said: See above post. Ha! Sorry, missed that on my phone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ULTIMA Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 I guess it's a good thing I just got the original SLR. I mean it isn't that much of a weight differential but weight is weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatCarGuy Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Guess I'll add my Ventus gear into the mix. LT88 34+2: 5.40 lbs LT98 33+2: 5.75 lbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, ThatCarGuy said: Guess I'll add my Ventus gear into the mix. LT88 34+2: 5.40 lbs LT98 33+2: 5.75 lbs Could be the density of the upgraded foam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mroy31 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Just for my Canadian benefit, that's a difference of 0.375 lbs right? Not nitpicking significance of weight, just want to make sure I'm looking at the same difference as everyone else The observations I could add are that the SLR2 has the extra calf strap, and the pad pictured has no external break (so a bit less foam/material in the outer roll?). Is the Primo material any heavier/denser than Jenpro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mroy31 said: Just for my Canadian benefit, that's a difference of 0.375 lbs right? Not nitpicking significance of weight, just want to make sure I'm looking at the same difference as everyone else The observations I could add are that the SLR2 has the extra calf strap, and the pad pictured has no external break (so a bit less foam/material in the outer roll?). Is the Primo material any heavier/denser than Jenpro? You bring up a great point: are they the same spec? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urabus33 Posted April 15, 2019 Author Share Posted April 15, 2019 They are both completely stock retail pads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, Urabus33 said: They are both completely stock retail pads. But do they have the same exact specifications, i.e. breaks, number of straps, RRC straps, face materials, etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatCarGuy Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Mroy31 said: Is the Primo material any heavier/denser than Jenpro? I vaguely remember Brian's saying it was heavier but also more durable awhile back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayluv54 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 When InGoal mag reviewed the Sub3's a while back, they stated that Primo is in fact heavier. I believe the SLR1 in 33+2 were roughly 4lbs 7oz, so were talking about a 14oz. increase when comparing apples to apples. I don't think Primo is that heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urabus33 Posted April 15, 2019 Author Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 hour ago, bunnyman666 said: But do they have the same exact specifications, i.e. breaks, number of straps, RRC straps, face materials, etc.? Here are the exact pads pictured. The SLR2 has the extra calf strap, and primo with no breaks. The SLR is stock strapping, single break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 6 ounces is a fair amount of weight. But the extra strap and higher-spec material could easily account for the extra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urabus33 Posted April 15, 2019 Author Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 minute ago, bunnyman666 said: 6 ounces is a fair amount of weight. But the extra strap and higher-spec material could easily account for the extra. I was more shocked that a 35” pad was that much lighter than a 33” pad that’s 2 years newer. That being said I prefer “richness” over weight in a pad, to an extent but the market seems to disagree with me for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 25 minutes ago, Urabus33 said: I was more shocked that a 35” pad was that much lighter than a 33” pad that’s 2 years newer. That being said I prefer “richness” over weight in a pad, to an extent but the market seems to disagree with me for the most part. Weight loss for weights sake is silly IMO. So I don’t disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max27 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Vaughn added a second layer of Carbon Fibre over the 1st one up which could add to the extra weight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mroy31 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Max27 said: Vaughn added a second layer of Carbon Fibre over the 1st one up which could add to the extra weight This, plus the leg channel wrap materials are different, the RRC strap is both different and has the tabs to lace it in or remove it, toe bridge is smaller on SLR2 but has bungee cord attachment... Still surprising that 2" less of overall material still weighs more, but if we reverse engineered the whole pad we'd probably just see a bunch of small differences that avg out to the difference in weight. Like @bunnyman666 and @Urabus33 I'll take updates for a functional purpose over updates just to get lighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 SLR - 32+2 = 4.65 lbs SLR 2 - 33+2 = 5.3 lbs As expected, Vaughn stiffed up the pad core to make a better seal and harder rebounds. HD foam and carbon is heavier than LD foam. That is the weight change. Specific Changes: SLR2: - Thicker thigh rise - HD core on the full face ( stops at knee on SLR1) - Additional carbon in the thighrise Vaughn sent this to us directly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanG Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, TheGoalNet said: SLR - 32+2 = 4.65 lbs SLR 2 - 33+2 = 5.3 lbs As expected, Vaughn stiffed up the pad core to make a better seal and harder rebounds. HD foam and carbon is heavier than LD foam. That is the weight change. Specific Changes: SLR2: - Thicker thigh rise - HD core on the full face ( stops at knee on SLR1) - Additional carbon in the thighrise Vaughn sent this to us directly Awesome explanation. Makes sense, beefier, stiffer pad means it's heavier too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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