M.I.A. Goalies for 2020-2021

[chile57]

Surprised nobody jumped on this yet - Binnington = turd...

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/35869892/blues-jordan-binnington-ejected-punch-loss-wild

Didn't bother looking for the video. Would have been nice if Flower got a chance to mangle his giant honker.

... curiosity got the best of me - here's the video (weak "punch" if you ask me but glad they tossed him)...

https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/35869068

Edited Thursday at 12:48 PM by chile57

[coopaloop1234]

3 hours ago, chile57 said:

Surprised nobody jumped on this yet - Binnington = turd...

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/35869892/blues-jordan-binnington-ejected-punch-loss-wild

Didn't bother looking for the video. Would have been nice if Flower got a chance to mangle his giant honker.

... curiosity got the best of me - here's the video (weak "punch" if you ask me but glad they tossed him)...

https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/35869068

Beat me to the punch lol. Dude is getting a hearing: 

 

 

Apparently Binnington was hitting guys below the belt: 

 

Here he is chirping the Wild's bench after letting in three goals in two minutes: 

And a decent summary of this clown's antics:

https://canucksarmy.com/news/brief-history-jordan-binnington-giant-baby

My favourite bit: 

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What makes all of these incidents extra pathetic is that Binnington is barely qualified to be an NHL goalie at this point. The Blues goaltender has posted an .894 save percentage and is stuck on a monstrous contract that’ll pay him $6 million until 2027.

 

Over the last few seasons, Binnington has been consistently outplayed by his counterparts like Jake Allen and Ville Husso, but St. Louis has been forced to let those goalies go because Binnington, his contract, and his ego, are practically immovable. It’s not often that an NHL player unites people in their dislike of them as their act even wears thin in their own city, but Binnington is here to fill that role.

 

Edited Thursday at 04:00 PM by coopaloop1234

[netminder]

52 minutes ago, coopaloop1234 said:

Beat me to the punch lol. Dude is getting a hearing: 

 

 

Apparently Binnington was hitting guys below the belt: 

 

Here he is chirping the Wild's bench after letting in three goals in two minutes: 

And a decent summary of this clown's antics:

https://canucksarmy.com/news/brief-history-jordan-binnington-giant-baby

My favourite bit: 

 

Winnington was head and shoulders above both those former Blues goalies listed above in every playoffs he's been in where it matters. He's also playing on a glorified AHL roster now and up against NHL rosters is hardly a measuring stick. Put him on TB and he'd be 30-5-5. Also, a goalie with a heartbeat is way way way way more important then the cookie cutters we see coming from over-sea's the past few decades. Those cookie cutter goalies will NEVER and i mean ever lead a North American city to the Stanley Cup and rarely if any ever have. Unless your name is Hasek or Vasi in the past 30+ straight years, thats-it!. You have zero clue whats what bud.

Edited Thursday at 04:51 PM by netminder

[coopaloop1234]

4 minutes ago, netminder said:

Winnington was head and shoulders above both those former Blues goalies listed above in every playoffs he's been in where it matters. He's also playing on a glorified AHL roster now and up against NHL rosters is hardly a measuring stick. Put him on TB and he'd be 30-5-5. Also, a goalie with a heartbeat is way way way way more important then the cookie cutters we see coming from over-sea's the past few decades. Those cookie cutter goalies will NEVER and i mean ever lead a North American city to the Stanley Cup and rarely if any ever have. Unless your name is Hasek or Vasi in the past 30+ straight years, thats-it!. You have zero clue whats what bud.

Binnington was a liability in the 2020 playoffs. Allen had better numbers. I remember when Berube stated that Binnington was starting game 6 and all of Vancouver cheered because we knew we were going to win. lol. 

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> He's also playing on a glorified AHL roster now and up against NHL rosters is hardly a measuring stick

Dude's stats were abysmal in 2020 and 2021. Before the fire sale of the Blues. Dude's numbers were good last year, but it's pretty evident he was carried in 2019. Kind of like Kuemper last year. 

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>  Put him on TB and he'd be 30-5-5.

lol, there's better goalies playing on worse teams with better stats than Binnington. Both Arizons have better stats and even Mrazek, who's playing on what consists of a ECHL roster has better stats.

Binnington is toeing the line with Mezlerkin who is having an atrocious season. 

Dude is washed up. 

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> . Also, a goalie with a heartbeat is way way way way more important then the cookie cutters we see coming from over-sea's the past few decades.

Dude is the softest goalie in the league. He's going to tantrum his way out of a NHL career. 

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Those cookie cutter goalies will NEVER and i mean ever lead a North American city to the Stanley Cup and rarely if any ever have. Unless your name is Hasek or Vasi in the past 30+ straight years, thats-it!. 

Doing my boy Khabibulin dirty. 

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You have zero clue whats what bud.

I missed this, 

[Fullright]

@coopaloop1234: you're being kind about chicago....probably more a men's league team than an ECHL team. And Petr blew another groin last game. 

[chile57]

I will just say - opinions are like a-holes…

… and the dudes own coach thinks him a clown. But don’t take my word for it - this reputable article sums it up nicely…

https://thehockeynews.com/news/screen-shots-binnington-suspended-qmjhl-fights-and-canucks

[A.YOUNGoalie13]

9 hours ago, netminder said:

. Those cookie cutter goalies will NEVER and i mean ever lead a North American city to the Stanley Cup and rarely if any ever have. 

Not sure your relations or interest in player development here in NA, but as a player and coach I’d say I’m pretty involved. All, and I mean all of the robot goalies are American or Canadien. Its why the NHL is dominated by Euro goalies. Not sure how you could call Russians or Fins cookie cutter. The Russians are some of the most atheltic and unorthdox goalies we have seen since prime Quick or Hasek. Sure they are great technically too, but thats how the position has evolved. But make no mistake, the European goalies are mostly all far more athletic than their NA counterparts.

And just in case you needed some examples of your so called “cookie cutter” goalies from overseas:

Vasilevskiy

Sorokin

Shesterkin

Askarov

Bobrovsky

Saros

Rask

Rinne

Vejmelka

Lundqvist

Lehner

Pretty sure all of these guys are/were pretty different from the robot goalies we see all over NA

Edited Friday at 02:40 AM by A.YOUNGoalie13

[netminder]

12 hours ago, A.YOUNGoalie13 said:

Not sure your relations or interest in player development here in NA, but as a player and coach I’d say I’m pretty involved. All, and I mean all of the robot goalies are American or Canadien. Its why the NHL is dominated by Euro goalies. Not sure how you could call Russians or Fins cookie cutter. The Russians are some of the most atheltic and unorthdox goalies we have seen since prime Quick or Hasek. Sure they are great technically too, but thats how the position has evolved. But make no mistake, the European goalies are mostly all far more athletic than their NA counterparts.

And just in case you needed some examples of your so called “cookie cutter” goalies from overseas:

Vasilevskiy

Sorokin

Shesterkin

Askarov

Bobrovsky

Saros

Rask

Rinne

Vejmelka

Lundqvist

Lehner

Pretty sure all of these guys are/were pretty different from the robot goalies we see all over NA

You missed the part where the combined rings in your list is 1. Predictable playing goalies on that list are a giant reason why no NHL team worries about them making a difference once a series is gameplanned, for decades. Arguement could be said that Vasi's isnt as cookie cutter thus made a big difference in his rings, albeit vs the 2 weakest back to back Cup finalist maybe of all time.  lol, but thats not the point here. We also see it at the World Junior levels, as NA starters have taken 8 of the past 11 golds too. If i felt like a doing a deeper dive i would bet AHL and ECHL feature NA starters winning their rings most of the time too.

Edited Friday at 02:45 PM by netminder

[ThatCarGuy]

54 minutes ago, netminder said:

You missed the part where the combined rings in your list is 1. Predictable playing goalies on that list are a giant reason why no NHL team worries about them making a difference once a series is gameplanned, for decades. Arguement could be said that Vasi's isnt as cookie cutter thus made a big difference in his rings, albeit vs the 2 weakest back to back Cup finalist maybe of all time.  lol, but thats not the point here. We also see it at the World Junior levels, as NA starters have taken 8 of the past 11 golds too. If i felt like a doing a deeper dive i would bet AHL and ECHL feature NA starters winning their rings most of the time too.

Good goalies don’t win cups. Good teams win cups. 

[A.YOUNGoalie13]

1 hour ago, netminder said:

You missed the part where the combined rings in your list is 1. Predictable playing goalies on that list are a giant reason why no NHL team worries about them making a difference once a series is gameplanned, for decades. Arguement could be said that Vasi's isnt as cookie cutter thus made a big difference in his rings, albeit vs the 2 weakest back to back Cup finalist maybe of all time.  lol, but thats not the point here. We also see it at the World Junior levels, as NA starters have taken 8 of the past 11 golds too. If i felt like a doing a deeper dive i would bet AHL and ECHL feature NA starters winning their rings most of the time too.

I agree with @ThatCarGuy the goalie doesn't win the cup unless we're talking about 2012 Quick, who is the most un-american American goalie ever. Of the goalies I listed a bunch of them are future hall members or will be after their careers finish. If you mean to tell me the Avs won last year because of Kuemper? Welll he only played about half the games because he kept getting hurt. You bringing up the World Juniors has to be a joke as again, the NA teams are the most stacked every year, and nobody talks about goaltending when your team is putting up 8+ goals on all the other teams. Either way, the point of my list was to show how a ton of the Euro goalies are anything but cookie cutter. A list of NA goalies would be the opposite. You don't seem to have much to say about what i said before the list. Did I change the great Netminder's mind????

[coopaloop1234]

52 minutes ago, A.YOUNGoalie13 said:

I agree with @ThatCarGuy the goalie doesn't win the cup unless we're talking about 2012 Quick, who is the most un-american American goalie ever. 

Quick was lights out, but let's not pretend that the Kings under Suter weren't a heavy defensive team. 

1 hour ago, ThatCarGuy said:

Good goalies don’t win cups. Good teams win cups. 

Good goalies can drag teams kicking and screaming into the cup finals though. (Price, Giguerre, Hasek, etc.) 

[coopaloop1234]

Two games for Binnington 

Also: 

[Chenner29]

7 minutes ago, coopaloop1234 said:

Two games for Binnington 

Also: 

 

He basically did the scene from Step Brothers with the therapist

 

[coopaloop1234]

[Chenner29]

Lundy's take:

”I remember giving up five goals, and I just wanted to hide behind a rock or something. Just disappear. I would definitely not wave to the crowd,” he said.

”But as a goalie, you have different ways to get into your sweet spot when you’re focused, and you’re making good decisions. And to me, if I over-reacted to things, it was just a sign to me that I’m not on top of my game. But Binnington has different ways to get in there, but the question is: Is he doing too much, to try to get to his sweet spot? It’s ben a lot of incidents last couple of years, now.”

[Fullright]

This has turned into a radioactive thread.

@coopaloop1234: "I miss this"....lol. But I am still trying to figure out the naked yellow guy in the old man thread.

Different strokes for different folks - all of us have our own way to get to the sweet spot mentioned by Hank. Hextall was great but also a thug....at least until Potvin busted open his eye. Binner seems, however, to be melting down some this year. I dont know whether he's honked at the team, himself, or what. But he's off his game as is the team in front of him. Maybe he just doesnt like playing on a defensively weak team; pretty easy to look great when the team is sound. He's pulled a Dan Cloutier frequently this season challenging benches. Kinda surprised no one has brought up Billy Smith. Smith was certifiable but he didnt do his thug routine to get into his sweet spot, He was all ways ready to play.

Edited Friday at 09:17 PM by Fullright

[coopaloop1234]

1 hour ago, Fullright said:

He's pulled a Dan Cloutier frequently this season challenging benches.

Cloutier only challenged benches after kicking the piss out of their goaltender, and even so, wasn't a constant hot head during his playing years. 

Compare that with Binnington and his practically immature cheap shots, coupled with never answering the bell, it's a stark difference. 

Dude came flying over with intent. I miss this era of the NHL. 

 

 

Edited Friday at 10:32 PM by coopaloop1234

[ArdeFIN]

10 hours ago, coopaloop1234 said:

Cloutier only challenged benches after kicking the piss out of their goaltender, and even so, wasn't a constant hot head during his playing years. 

Compare that with Binnington and his practically immature cheap shots, coupled with never answering the bell, it's a stark difference. 

Dude came flying over with intent. I miss this era of the NHL. 

 

 

Watching this clip actually doesn't make me miss those days, beating guys lying down on ice to back and neck. Fight is a fight but it ends when either one falls down and you don't beat after that. Octagon is different thing.

Looked like there was a pure intention to injury Salo in that clip whacking down to his neck.

We have some players that beat the fallen opponent in the NHL, rat moves I'd call them and point to some directions...

[Lucky Pucker]

Full disclosure: I’m no Binnington fan. But if a goalie is gonna blocker-punch (not that I condone that), I believe the gold standard is somewhere around here: