TheGoalNet Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Knock on wood... We have an opportunity to learn about the process for selecting a stock graphic with a company we have not worked with too heavily yet... (yes @coopaloop1234 - I like my Brian's and Joz is a great dude, but we (I) are neutral!!!) Here are the potential questions I am going to ask for the interview, could you reply ASAP with anything you think might be interesting to learn? 1. How long does it take to pick a stock graphic 2. How many designs are considered 3. What type of person and/or what type of professional training has the designer been through? Like who is the designer? 4. How important is is, if at all, to keep congruity with previous graphics 5. How much do you feel graphics influence the retail sales 6. How important is the graphic in the actual pad design process 7. Are you looking at digital printing 8. What do you think the future of graphics holds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopaloop1234 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 What does the approval process of choosing a graphic entail? How far up the company chain does it go. Ex: for Vaughn i'm assuming everyone is hands on deck, but what about for Bauer and CCM? Does it ever go outside the goalie/hockey department for final approval prior to manufacturing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I'd be interested to know how much detail manufacturers share with each other regarding upcoming graphics. I've noticed that most stock graphics tend to share similarities - angles, curved lines vs. straight lines, etc - that make it easier to match, say, a CCM glove/blocker to a set of Vaughn pads (Ryan Miller is a good example of this). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted November 2, 2017 Author Share Posted November 2, 2017 Just giving this a bump... We have limited time I want people to see this on the front page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doobiesnax Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 We need names and addresses of whoever decided that tribal graphics were a great idea..... seriously ... i leave hockey for 17 years and its like the 90's douches with tribal tattoos took over designing goalie equipment graphics for a decade.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 18 minutes ago, Doobiesnax said: We need names and addresses of whoever decided that tribal graphics were a great idea..... seriously ... i leave hockey for 17 years and its like the 90's douches with tribal tattoos took over designing goalie equipment graphics for a decade.... I'd agree here...Vaughn's continual use of tribal style graphics has always baffled me, though they seem to be moving on with current and future models. That being said, that V8 graphic is, uh... pretty not-good. Aside from Vaughn, Brian's circa 2009 wasn't much better. That Zero-G graphic...oof. But I LOVED the pads/glove. Another question I'd ask is where the inspiration for the graphic comes from. For example, was the graphic inspired by the flowing stripes on a jersey, an obscure form of camouflage, vehichles/architecture, or even old robot cartoons? It'd vary from designer to designer, but I'd love to hear anecdotes about certain designs, and how they were applied to a full line of gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted November 2, 2017 Author Share Posted November 2, 2017 In fairness to Vaughn, they let the tribal graphic go. I think most of us will call that a lost era in graphics. The SLR is clean, the V8E is not tribal either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doobiesnax Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Oh im not singling Vaughn out... they were all complicit in this abomonation of a decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted November 2, 2017 Author Share Posted November 2, 2017 10 minutes ago, Doobiesnax said: Oh im not singling Vaughn out... they were all complicit in this abomonation of a decision. It's 100% fair to blame Vaughn. They went out of their way to start the trend and bragged about it in their product description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPv6Freely Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Does that include the original gnetik graphic? heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted November 2, 2017 Author Share Posted November 2, 2017 34 minutes ago, IPv6Freely said: Does that include the original gnetik graphic? heh I am not saying Vaughn was the only offender... We see you Reebok Revoke... I am saying Vaughn is blammed for starting the trend. #BringBackThe580Graphic #FirstEFwasTheBestEF #CanIGetAHelite3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mroy31 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 17 hours ago, TheGoalNet said: I am not saying Vaughn was the only offender... We see you Reebok Revoke... I am saying Vaughn is blammed for starting the trend. #BringBackThe580Graphic #FirstEFwasTheBestEF #CanIGetAHelite3 The Larceny line was the worst offender for me. I'd be curious if there is any trademarking/copywriting involved. Has there ever been a situation where someone couldn't use a graphic because it looked too similar to another one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chenner29 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Ha! You guys are complaining about Vaughn tribal graphics? Let's be real. This is the worst pad graphic ever conceived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 10 hours ago, Chenner29 said: Ha! You guys are complaining about Vaughn tribal graphics? Let's be real. This is the worst pad graphic ever conceived. LOL that is bad. Of course the Reebok graffitti and the screamin’ chicken Warrior Messiah are both equally bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Do companies ever tinker with the idea of bringing back old graphics similar to how some car companies are bringing back old cars? Charger, Challenger, Dart, redesign of the Mustang, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted November 3, 2017 Author Share Posted November 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, SaveByRichter35 said: Do companies ever tinker with the idea of bringing back old graphics similar to how some car companies are bringing back old cars? Charger, Challenger, Dart, redesign of the Mustang, etc. I have wondered that same thing, but via the Sneakerworld. Nike often takes old sneaker models and then remakes them with new materials or trys to make a new models look like an old model. I'd love for this to come to hockey. Instead of the Retroflex year after year, I'd like to see CCM bring back some of the Iconic Koho graphics for like limited 12 month runs. Bauer is kinda doing this with the McKenna and Andersen pads . Brian's did this with Lack this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, TheGoalNet said: I have wondered that same thing, but via the Sneakerworld. Nike often takes old sneaker models and then remakes them with new materials or trys to make a new models look like an old model. I'd love for this to come to hockey. Instead of the Retroflex year after year, I'd like to see CCM bring back some of the Iconic Koho graphics for like limited 12 month runs. Bauer is kinda doing this with the McKenna and Andersen pads. Brian's did this with Lack this year. I'd like to see it done as an actual graphic though, not just a picture of a pad with that graphic, as the graphic...if that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted November 3, 2017 Author Share Posted November 3, 2017 Bauer has done it before... just won’t see it again because of the full integration to printing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopaloop1234 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 See, those look great. These look like ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted November 3, 2017 Author Share Posted November 3, 2017 11 minutes ago, coopaloop1234 said: See, those look great. These look like ass. McKenna's new set looks way better. Once Bauer opens this up to the public, I am sure you could order R5 or R6 graphic without the shadowing effect. I think sometimes we get too bogged down with what has been done vs what will be available within 12 months. Is anyone not buying Bauer right now because they cannot R5 graphics on a 1S?!? Once printing goes live to the public, I imagine it will be similar to ordering custom graphics from anyone. Submit design, get a quote for the custom work, and buy And yes, the Andersen pads did look like crap. But that was more a glimpse into the cupboard of what's coming. There is a reason the average Joe cannot buys these yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopaloop1234 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 But why bring something to the market in a half baked attempt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 45 minutes ago, TheGoalNet said: Bauer has done it before... just won’t see it again because of the full integration to printing I know they ran those as a limited edition. And I loved it. I am saying I would like to see something as a full time run like you suggested with CCM running Koho graphics for a year clip. 13 minutes ago, coopaloop1234 said: See, those look great. These look like ass. Because, again, its a graphic that entails a printed picture of a pad with that graphic instead of the graphic just being printed on the pad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPv6Freely Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Yea, like "vintage" models. With CCM they like doing SMU items across all of their lines (I was over the moon when they brought Titan sticks back!) I love that Brian's still has their heritage graphics too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted November 3, 2017 Author Share Posted November 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, coopaloop1234 said: But why bring something to the market in a half baked attempt? Marketing? To be first? To be remembered the innovator of this technology? Think about it... Bauer goalie gear stunk for a long time. The 1S line was the first innovative thing they did since Brian Heaton worked there... Lots of times being first trumps a perfect product Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted November 3, 2017 Author Share Posted November 3, 2017 @SaveByRichter35 - Oh I see what you saying, mass produced and a stock product. Got it and this is a "stock graphics" thread, haha At least Bauer offered it though... a CCM EFlex with 580 graphic?!?! Literally not possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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