IIHF 2022 WJC Cancelled

[coopaloop1234]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/world-juniors/article/report-iihf-cancels-remainder-2022-world-juniors-due-covid-19/

 

 

[Naz]

Sucks big time

[Fullright]

just too much bug....sucks for the players, families, etc....it's a big deal to be in wjc

[Lucky Pucker]

Well let’s be honest here about what we have seen: a bunch of players sweating, breathing heavily, and spitting (like, all the time)… add to that all the coaches and staff half-assing the mask wearing, and fans likewise with concessions open for them to eat and drink (cus you can’t sit for 2 hours without cramming stuff into your cake hole). THEN imagine the behaviour and all the stuff we HAVEN’T seen. So yeah, here we are… this is not the COVID of 2020-21, so what worked for bubbles and such last go around just aren’t good enough now with Omicron, I guess.

It does indeed suck, as @Fullright says, for the players and families for whom this was maybe their “one chance”. It also sucks because it was really a bright spot at our house, watching Team Canada as a family. Maybe they canceled because the other teams were afraid of us…?

[southpawtendy48]

On 12/29/2021 at 3:19 PM, Lucky Pucker said:

It does indeed suck, as @Fullright says, for the players and families for whom this was maybe their “one chance”. It also sucks because it was really a bright spot at our house, watching Team Canada as a family. Maybe they canceled because the other teams were afraid of us…?

Wasn't it essentially cancelled BECAUSE of Canada? Come on now...

Edited December 31, 2021 by southpawtendy48

[ArdeFIN]

From what I've heard they basically (speaking of Team Finland stories) lived in a hotel inside some sort of bubble, and while the hotel was (said by a player) about 50 meters away from Rogers Place, they still had to use the bus transit.

Team was healthy when arrived, had Corona tests every morning, and only facing the opponents(?) on ice and each other the rest of the time.

So there had to be very minimal chance for any kind of infection, if this bubble was intact.

If the staff was, and should've been, in the same bubble it doesn't make any difference using mask or whatnot. The Corona infection has to come from somewhere. You really think any of them coaches used the mask inside the locker room? And yes, that said half-assing the mask is as good as just leave it unused.

Lets see how things are in the spring when there should be mens WCS here in Finland. What variant is ruining the world then. Omikron probably is over by then.

[CJ Boiss]

4 hours ago, ArdeFIN said:

From what I've heard they basically (speaking of Team Finland stories) lived in a hotel inside some sort of bubble, and while the hotel was (said by a player) about 50 meters away from Rogers Place, they still had to use the bus transit.

Team was healthy when arrived, had Corona tests every morning, and only facing the opponents(?) on ice and each other the rest of the time.

So there had to be very minimal chance for any kind of infection, if this bubble was intact.

If the staff was, and should've been, in the same bubble it doesn't make any difference using mask or whatnot. The Corona infection has to come from somewhere. You really think any of them coaches used the mask inside the locker room? And yes, that said half-assing the mask is as good as just leave it unused.

Lets see how things are in the spring when there should be mens WCS here in Finland. What variant is ruining the world then. Omikron probably is over by then.

There was no bubble. Yes, all the teams were trying to isolate in their hotel rooms and such, but there was no bubble that all the players and staff were in. The hotel with the American and Swedish teams hosted a wedding party.

[coopaloop1234]

4 minutes ago, CJ Boiss said:

There was no bubble. Yes, all the teams were trying to isolate in their hotel rooms and such, but there was no bubble that all the players and staff were in. The hotel with the American and Swedish teams hosted a wedding party.

Nothing like a Wednesday night wedding in December in Red Deer.

Yee haw boys

[ArdeFIN]

54 minutes ago, CJ Boiss said:

There was no bubble. Yes, all the teams were trying to isolate in their hotel rooms and such, but there was no bubble that all the players and staff were in. The hotel with the American and Swedish teams hosted a wedding party.

Yes, I mis-understood the idea of having bubble. They tried to make some sort of but failed. And I read that within the wedding party they even tried to hold the teams in their own floors separated from wedding people and all but afterall even that failed.

Too bad anyway as it would've been possible to arrange safely and get the tournament done.

[Wonder35]

10 hours ago, southpawtendy48 said:

Wasn't it essentially cancelled BECAUSE of Canada? Come on now...

Team Canada didn't have a single game cancelled due to COVID, unlike some other teams ...........

[coopaloop1234]

22 minutes ago, Wonder35 said:

Team Canada didn't have a single game cancelled due to COVID, unlike some other teams ...........

Canada #1.

But it was strange to cancel the entire tournament over four asymptomatic cases.

[CJ Boiss]

7 hours ago, coopaloop1234 said:

Canada #1.

But it was strange to cancel the entire tournament over four asymptomatic cases.

Given what's happening in Alberta right now, not really. Today, we almost doubled our previous record for new daily cases of COVID with ~4,500, and Hinshaw said we're probably only finding 1 in every 6. Our positive testing rate is over 33%, and I saw one estimate put our actual new daily cases at over 20,000.

[ArdeFIN]

9 hours ago, CJ Boiss said:

Given what's happening in Alberta right now, not really. Today, we almost doubled our previous record for new daily cases of COVID with ~4,500, and Hinshaw said we're probably only finding 1 in every 6. Our positive testing rate is over 33%, and I saw one estimate put our actual new daily cases at over 20,000.

Same thing happening in Europe too, Omikron is spreading unbelievebly quick. This might also lead into a situation where the Corona disappears for some time as most of the population has had some level of infection and getting better antigens due to actual infection, and for many of us that is added to what vaccines give.

Edited January 1, 2022 by ArdeFIN

[estogoalie]

With Omicron, it's spreading faster, but the symptoms are less severe. ie: COVID cases going up, hospitalizations and deaths are not. Even the most paranoid fearmonger has to admit it's now getting into an endemic phase and it's time to drop the covid theatre and just get on with life as usual. 

[CJ Boiss]

4 hours ago, estogoalie said:

With Omicron, it's spreading faster, but the symptoms are less severe. ie: COVID cases going up, hospitalizations and deaths are not. Even the most paranoid fearmonger has to admit it's now getting into an endemic phase and it's time to drop the covid theatre and just get on with life as usual. 

We don't really have enough data to determine whether or not it's as severe. And it would need to be significantly less severe to avoid overwhelming our healthcare system, basically equivalent to a cold, and there's no evidence to suggest that.

[estogoalie]

1 hour ago, CJ Boiss said:

We don't really have enough data to determine whether or not it's as severe. And it would need to be significantly less severe to avoid overwhelming our healthcare system, basically equivalent to a cold, and there's no evidence to suggest that.

Of course there's plenty of evidence to support that. Everyone everywhere is saying omicron is mild.

You're either living under a rock, or enjoy living in fear and being told what to do... or both.

[CJ Boiss]

13 minutes ago, estogoalie said:

Of course there's plenty of evidence to support that. Everyone everywhere is saying omicron is mild.

You're either living under a rock, or enjoy living in fear and being told what to do... or both.

South Africa's population is extremely young compared to ours, with comparatively low vaccination rates; it's not generalizable to Canada, or Alberta.

Our population is approximately 80% double vaccinated, so while we might see fewer severe outcomes that doesn't necessarily mean Omicron is any less dangerous than Delta, or the previous strains. And with approximately 20% of our population not having any vaccinations, Omicron being massively more infectious and only slightly less severe would still result in horrific outcomes.

"Everyone everywhere" saying that omicron is "mild" doesn't actually mean anything. It may well turn out that way, but we don't know that it will, and we can't act as if it will. The consequences if we're wrong could be thousands of deaths, tens of thousands of long-term disabilities, hundreds of thousands of cancelled surgeries and delayed procedures, and an overwhelmed healthcare system resulting in even more deaths and long-term disabilities.

This isn't an opinion borne of ignorance, fear, or a desire for authoritarian rule. It's borne from a respect for the scientific process, appropriate caution, and a desire to not see more Albertans dead of a historically mismanaged response to a public health crisis.

[estogoalie]

1 hour ago, CJ Boiss said:

This isn't an opinion borne of ignorance, fear, or a desire for authoritarian rule. It's borne from a respect for the scientific process, appropriate caution, and a desire to not see more Albertans dead of a historically mismanaged response to a public health crisis.

Then look at the science. The vast majority of hospitalizations/deaths are people over 70 and/or have existing health issues. Give them their vax, hide them away, and let the rest of the world get on with living life. You also neglected all the negative consequences of lockdowns/restrictions, like mental health issues, lost jobs, destroyed businesses, etc. Look at the mess already: airlines cancelling flights left and right, supply chain issues, empty store shelves, inflation, etc. I can imagine what another year of this will look like. It will be the 1930's again. I guess followed by the 1940's. Talk about a "mismanaged health crises" LOL

 

[CJ Boiss]

1 hour ago, estogoalie said:

Then look at the science. The vast majority of hospitalizations/deaths are people over 70 and/or have existing health issues. Give them their vax, hide them away, and let the rest of the world get on with living life. You also neglected all the negative consequences of lockdowns/restrictions, like mental health issues, lost jobs, destroyed businesses, etc. Look at the mess already: airlines cancelling flights left and right, supply chain issues, empty store shelves, inflation, etc. I can imagine what another year of this will look like. It will be the 1930's again. I guess followed by the 1940's. Talk about a "mismanaged health crises" LOL

 

The vast majority of hospitalizations/ICU patients (and deaths) are unvaccinated people, and we have enough of those in our province to swamp our healthcare system ten times over. And while lots of those people are simply refusing to get vaccinated, a significant percentage of them can't. That's the biggest issue right now. If you want to avoid a repeat of the 1930's/40's, let's start by not engaging in what's effectively a eugenics program by saying "fuck anyone who can't get vaccinated, you're on your own".

The cancelled flights in Alberta (WestJet come to mind) are because all of their staff are catching COVID. Thankfully, because of the vaccination policy required for air travel, these people aren't ending up in hospital. The cancelled flights are a temporary hiccup.

Mental health struggles, lost jobs, struggling businesses, etc., are problems that can only be addressed by people who are alive (they are also, incidentally, all problems that I've personally had to contend with during the last two years). Death is worse than depression, or a lost job; people who are permanently disabled by Long COVID are going to suffer a great deal more throughout their life than any of us do by not going to a concert.

The economy is a social mechanism that exists to serve people, and I am not willing to sacrifice lives so that some tax-dodging CEO fuckhead can pocket an extra half-a-percent on their stock option bonuses this year. If you're in favour of sacrificing lives for the economy then you've lost the plot.

[estogoalie]

9 hours ago, CJ Boiss said:

The vast majority of hospitalizations/ICU patients (and deaths) are unvaccinated people

...unvaxxed, and 65+ . It's a small group responsible for a large amount of deaths/hospitalizations. To lock the whole society down just because of them isn't the right answer.

9 hours ago, CJ Boiss said:

The cancelled flights in Alberta (WestJet come to mind) are because all of their staff are catching COVID. Thankfully, because of the vaccination policy required for air travel, these people aren't ending up in hospital.

Vaccinated people catching and spreading the disease they are vaccinated against? Not a great sales-pitch for the vaccine, is it?

9 hours ago, CJ Boiss said:

Mental health struggles, lost jobs, struggling businesses, etc., are problems that can only be addressed by people who are alive

When people develop mental health issues, they have disregard for their own lives and lives of others. Suicide attempts, drug OD's, high-risk behaviour often ends in death.

10 hours ago, CJ Boiss said:

The economy is a social mechanism that exists to serve people, and I am not willing to sacrifice lives so that some tax-dodging CEO fuckhead can pocket an extra half-a-percent on their stock option bonuses this year. If you're in favour of sacrificing lives for the economy then you've lost the plot.

When the economy fails, society fails. Food doesn't reach the shelf, basic services like electricity, sanitation, etc. stops working. Then people REALLY start dying. Just look at Venunzuela or South Africa to see what a failed economy actually looks like. Then it becomes fertile ground for a dictator to walk in and promise to restore order via military rule. Have a look at 1930's Germany one more time. 

To wreck the economy/society to maybe (or maybe not*) save a handful of 65+ people is a poor and very short-sighted policy that is causing more damage than is helping. "The cure is worse than the disease." 

*Have a look and compare countries/states with strict COVID measures vs. ones that are more relaxed and open. It's not conclusive. It's going to spread regardless. "Virus gonna virus"

[Scythe]

Given everything that's going on virus uncertainty and the fact that everything cost wise has gone through the freakin roof I will most likely be cancelling my trip to Calgary this month. Just not worth the headaches and hassle ☹. 

[CJ Boiss]

7 hours ago, estogoalie said:

...unvaxxed, and 65+ . It's a small group responsible for a large amount of deaths/hospitalizations. To lock the whole society down just because of them isn't the right answer.

Vaccinated people catching and spreading the disease they are vaccinated against? Not a great sales-pitch for the vaccine, is it?

When people develop mental health issues, they have disregard for their own lives and lives of others. Suicide attempts, drug OD's, high-risk behaviour often ends in death.

When the economy fails, society fails. Food doesn't reach the shelf, basic services like electricity, sanitation, etc. stops working. Then people REALLY start dying. Just look at Venunzuela or South Africa to see what a failed economy actually looks like. Then it becomes fertile ground for a dictator to walk in and promise to restore order via military rule. Have a look at 1930's Germany one more time. 

To wreck the economy/society to maybe (or maybe not*) save a handful of 65+ people is a poor and very short-sighted policy that is causing more damage than is helping. "The cure is worse than the disease." 

*Have a look and compare countries/states with strict COVID measures vs. ones that are more relaxed and open. It's not conclusive. It's going to spread regardless. "Virus gonna virus"

Vaccines are not, and never have been, a magic cure-all that prevents you from catching or suffering symptoms of COVID, and they have never been marketed as such. If that's what you think they are, that's a "you" problem.

Yes, mental health issues can (not often, in fact) sometimes lead to destructive or high-risk behaviour that can (again, not often) lead to death. Still not as bad as dying outright.

Our economy has not failed, and is nowhere near that point at present. It is struggling, no doubt, but it's not like we're looking down the barrel of a 2008-style global financial collapse. The US and Canada are not in any danger of turning into Venezuela, South Africa, or 1930's Germany.

And, as I said before, if you think that sacrificing lives at the altar of The Economy is a good idea then you've lost the plot. There's nothing further to discuss here.

[estogoalie]

5 hours ago, CJ Boiss said:

you've lost the plot. There's nothing further to discuss here.

agreed

[CJ Boiss]

16 minutes ago, estogoalie said:

agreed

Go to a care home and tell everyone there that your desire to watch kids play hockey on the TV is more important to you than their health and lives, see how that goes over.

[estogoalie]

26 minutes ago, CJ Boiss said:

Go to a care home and tell everyone there that your desire to watch kids play hockey on the TV is more important to you than their health and lives, see how that goes over.

I'm pretty sure the majority of the people in the old-folks home would be happy to watch kids playing hockey on TV and the world carrying on as usual, rather than knowing those kids are being deprived of a normal childhood and being locked down in their homes, alone, wearing masks, and being injected with drugs they don't need.