Patrick Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 3 hours ago, TheGoalNet said: @Patrick - @SaveByRichter35 was joking that he was not smart enough to handle your advanced subject matter. It was not a knock against you. I think everyone appreciates the spirit and math. Thank you. I felt no offense at all. 0%. Don't worry, I am not going away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MangoRhinehart Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Wall W10h medium with ecopro foam 3.5 lbs Promasque xdk medium 3.5lbs Reidic with coveted long cat eye and eva foam 2.8 lbs Wall W8 rubatex 3.2 lbs eddy pro series large rubatex padding 3.4lbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanMon Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Thanks for doing the calculation. Now I am feeling skeptical about getting the all kevlar mask from Protechsport....which is apparently light. I REALLY want to get something that will be the best to protect my head from another concussion.... Help... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 13 hours ago, OceanMon said: Thanks for doing the calculation. Now I am feeling skeptical about getting the all kevlar mask from Protechsport....which is apparently light. I REALLY want to get something that will be the best to protect my head from another concussion.... Help... Masks are complicated in this fashion. Generally speaking weight and protection can battle each other here. Sometimes when a lighter material is used, it can compromise protection. Unfortunately, without testing each and every model, I cannot say which masks have the proper combination of lightweight and ample safety. I do believe though, a full kevlar mask is not an ideal construction. Maybe @Don Straus could come on with a more technical response? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanG Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 I know it's been asked before, and Michel has it listed on the website, but for anyone who owns a Protechsport, how much does it weigh? I'm just curious if the weight difference between the full kevlar and full fiberglass is really 0.8lbs and whether anyone who has tried both has noticed much of a difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenC Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 1 hour ago, TitanG said: I know it's been asked before, and Michel has it listed on the website, but for anyone who owns a Protechsport, how much does it weigh? I'm just curious if the weight difference between the full kevlar and full fiberglass is really 0.8lbs and whether anyone who has tried both has noticed much of a difference? I have the full kevlar and the Fibreglass and Kevlar mix (not full Fibreglass) and while i haven't weighed to check the actual difference in weight, its not noticable on the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichMan Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Reflecting on this subject, is it possible that we are neglecting the cage factor? For example: is there a difference in weight between a strait bar versus a cat-eye cage? Are there different types of metals used by different manufacturers? What of the bars shape and thickness? What of the "short" cage vs "long" cage options a few offer? I might be missing more questions but I do feel that these should be taken into account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 On 4/29/2020 at 8:52 AM, RichMan said: Reflecting on this subject, is it possible that we are neglecting the cage factor? For example: is there a difference in weight between a strait bar versus a cat-eye cage? Are there different types of metals used by different manufacturers? What of the bars shape and thickness? What of the "short" cage vs "long" cage options a few offer? I might be missing more questions but I do feel that these should be taken into account. It is pretty insignificant, IMO. I just put 25 cages on my kitchen scale. I'll admit, the cage variety isn't great. I did observe a 112 gram difference between the lightest cage I have versus the heaviest. The lightest cage was an old Olie cat eye. They have thin perimeter bars and are a relatively small cage. It was 232 grams. The heaviest was a cat eye that was on my CCM mask. It was actually a Bauer cage, I can't remember which one it was that fit on the CCM, but I'm leaning towards it being a profile cage rather than the NME. Anyway, it weighed 344 grams. The majority of the certified cages were in the 260-290 gram range. Comparing cages from a specific brand, I have three certified Sportmask cages (282, 289, and 293 grams). Powder coated Ricochet cat eye was 341 grams. Pro3i flat bar cat eye was 329 grams. Powdercoated Ricochet cheater was 342 grams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanG Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 17 hours ago, StevenC said: I have the full kevlar and the Fibreglass and Kevlar mix (not full Fibreglass) and while i haven't weighed to check the actual difference in weight, its not noticable on the ice. Thanks, much appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peanutbutterfly Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 On 7/8/2018 at 3:35 PM, TheGoalNet said: Can anyone with a full kevlar Protechsport post theirs? I can't. However my full fiberglass Protechsport weighs 2.4. I'd imagine a full Kevlar is pretty light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenC Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 My Full Kevlar (re-padded from what Michel issues) is 1.267kg or 1lb 6 and 1/4 ounces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravitas Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 21 minutes ago, StevenC said: My Full Kevlar (re-padded from what Michel issues) is 1.267kg or 1lb 6 and 1/4 ounces Weird. Something is wrong with your scale. 1 kg = is 2.2 lbs or 2 lb and 3~ ounces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDS-MN Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Wow, this thread has some interesting numbers, for sure. I have an older Eddy GT II, with cheater cage and Bauer plastic dangler attached, I get 3.2 pounds. I did re-pad the inside with the EcoPro foam. Includes chin cup, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peanutbutterfly Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 47 minutes ago, TDS-MN said: Wow, this thread has some interesting numbers, for sure. I have an older Eddy GT II, with cheater cage and Bauer plastic dangler attached, I get 3.2 pounds. I did re-pad the inside with the EcoPro foam. Includes chin cup, too. My old GT II came in at 3.1 with a cateye, all original padding and no dangler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheGoalie Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Very interesting! I am refurbishing a 960XPM M/L right now. I weighed the shell without hardware, sanded and prepped for primer at 604g (1.33 lbs). I will weight the cat-eye cage and the complete once it is finished and has new foam installed. I also happened to have an old 1997 Itech Profile 9000 shell handy. No hardware other than riveted harness snaps, but with paint that carbon shell weighs 382g (0.84 lbs). It's wonderfully thin and light. Quite stiff as well. I'd be interested to know what pushed Bauer away from that construction methodology (i.e. safety concern vs cost cutting). I also have a medium Sportmask Pro 3i in production. I will weigh it when it arrives. From what @TheGoalNet posted earlier and what I've heard from others it should be in the 2.8-2.9 lbs range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMeagher Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Mine is my own custom hand-lay that I made myself, that comes in at 2.0 lbs (~900 g). I could get it a bit lower with a titanium cage. My construction is a full Intermediate modulus carbon fiber (Toray T800) construction, with Innegra reinforcement, with variable shell thickness with increased composite layers in the forehead and chin to ensure increased stiffness where it's most critical. Padding is 10mm D3O in the forehead, cheeks, chin (behind sling), and Poron microcellular in other areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MangoRhinehart Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 25 minutes ago, SMeagher said: Mine is my own custom hand-lay that I made myself, that comes in at 2.0 lbs (~900 g). I could get it a bit lower with a titanium cage. My construction is a full Intermediate modulus carbon fiber (Toray T800) construction, with Innegra reinforcement, with variable shell thickness with increased composite layers in the forehead and chin to ensure increased stiffness where it's most critical. Padding is 10mm D3O in the forehead, cheeks, chin (behind sling), and Poron microcellular in other areas. Sweet mask! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isles12 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Olie ma2000 size senior small is 2.75lbs or 2lbs 12oz. Stock cage but new foam(1/2” neoprene) scale was zeroed after adding the plate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Surprised about the weight. It's a old mask from Promask/Reebok, I think I got this one year 2011. New foam, cage and paint job by me self with cheap spray. Both cup and chin sling. 1096 g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoalNet Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 On 5/1/2020 at 8:07 AM, Peanutbutterfly said: I can't. However my full fiberglass Protechsport weighs 2.4. I'd imagine a full Kevlar is pretty light. what is the name of this scale? I think I need to buy one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopaloop1234 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 4 hours ago, TheGoalNet said: what is the name of this scale? I think I need to buy one https://rkritzler.wixsite.com/balanzza/product-page/balanzza-ergo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadAngle41 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 So realized I had a bent cage the other day and needed a new one... and thought I'd post on Cage Weights here as well. All fit Bauer NME VTX. From Left to Right: Non-Bauer Full Stainless painted White, Bauer Hybrid (Aluminum Core) painted White, Bauer Titanium Obviously gets lighter as you move down the line with Ti being crazy light. Only notable difference between the masks besides materials is how the Non-Bauer has welded top corners while Bauer branded are single piece of material that for the entire perimeter with a bend at those same corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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