bc30 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/3/2017 at 6:57 PM, craig said: I'm 99% sure none of the holes (venting or hardware) will line up. I have done foam on both types of masks (Bauer and my own 961 clones... not ProtechSport), and a lot of the holes are close, but not the same. The NME padding doesn't fit in the Bauer 961, so no reason it should fit anything else, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bc30 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 On 12/3/2017 at 6:20 AM, bunnyman666 said: I actually do not disagree one bit.I only say mid-level because the all-fibreglass masque is closest to the fibreglass offerings of CCM, etc. The only thing that holds people back is the wait time. But it's not close. Fiberglass doesn't necessarily equal fiberglass The epoxy resin used by Protechsport is superior to what others use in their "top of the line" masks. I'd also wager that the fiberglass cloth is a higher quality than what is put in a mass produced product The Bauer 961 is 99% a fiberglass mask made with polyester resin. That one sheet of aramid doesn't make it a better mask. At this point I'd bet almost anyone making a 961 clone makes it as well or better than Bauer does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 1 minute ago, bc30 said: But it's not close. Fiberglass doesn't necessarily equal fiberglass The epoxy resin used by Protechsport is superior to what others use in their "top of the line" masks. I'd also wager that the fiberglass cloth is a higher quality than what is put in a mass produced product The Bauer 961 is 99% a fiberglass mask made with polyester resin. That one sheet of aramid doesn't make it a better mask. At this point I'd bet almost anyone making a 961 clone makes it as well or better than Bauer does. Again- I only say from material perspective ONLY; I have had several conversations with Shawn (Kustom). Yes- polyesther resin is inferior. I never would build something that requires strength with it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bc30 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Shawn is a guy who uses the superior grade materials in his own offerings. He's been beating the OTNY drum lately for the same reason. All I'm saying is that I'd take high quality fiberglass over cheap kevlar all day every day And at 1/3 the price? There is no downside and FWIW, the wait time as of three weeks ago was 12-14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPv6Freely Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 13 hours ago, bc30 said: OK, I'll bite Why? He can put either the padding of your choice, or leave it unpadded If you have a 960/961 padding kit, he could install it, and match the holes. I know he has done the CCM hole pattern for people on other masks, so hole location isn't an issue. Unless he has stock NME padding to use, I won’t like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 13 hours ago, bc30 said: Shawn is a guy who uses the superior grade materials in his own offerings. He's been beating the OTNY drum lately for the same reason. All I'm saying is that I'd take high quality fiberglass over cheap kevlar all day every day And at 1/3 the price? There is no downside and FWIW, the wait time as of three weeks ago was 12-14 Again- ABSOLUTELY no disagreement, there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanG Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 On 2017-11-20 at 10:01 AM, ZeroGravitas said: Haven't worn my Theodore since I got the 961 because it is need of refurbishing. Both times (about six years apart in build date) I sent in head molds to get the most accurate fit I could. If I recall correctly, he only has two 961-style molds, the standard one I have, and the bubble chin. So if your head is too large or too small, he would have to adjust the fit by using less or more foam than he typically would, whereas if you went with a standard shell, he could size you into the most accurate pro's mold he's got and use just enough foam. What’s the sizing like on the 961s? Is it like the Bauer version or is it a bit more generous? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 11 hours ago, TitanG said: What’s the sizing like on the 961s? Is it like the Bauer version or is it a bit more generous? It is likely molded directly off of a retail 961 or one of the many clones. In that case the outer dimensions would be identical but the inner dimensions would depend on the lay-up. Also how its foamed. Michel would know the answer to this and would probably be more than happy to help you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanG Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Just now, craig said: It is likely molded directly off of a retail 961 or one of the many clones. In that case the outer dimensions would be identical but the inner dimensions would depend on the lay-up. Also how its foamed. Michel would know the answer to this and would probably be more than happy to help you. One day I'll order one, I just don't have the need yet. I also wonder if it's possible to get the length of the shell to be a bit longer? That's my main issue with many off-the-shelf masks, especially the original, stock 961. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayen Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Just finished my head mold! time to get ready to send it in... did you guys just put it in a box and off it went? or any filler to keep it from flattening out in transit? Thank you. Can't wait for this mask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 3 hours ago, Kayen said: Just finished my head mold! time to get ready to send it in... did you guys just put it in a box and off it went? or any filler to keep it from flattening out in transit? Thank you. Can't wait for this mask. I used plenty of bubble wrap. Plaster of Paris can be brittle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 On 12/3/2017 at 12:18 AM, bc30 said: Honestly, the fiberglass model is well above a "mid-level" mask, and imho, better than virtually anything available at retail I've owned both kevlar and fiberglass models and honestly noticed no difference in the protection. My Potvin (fiberglass) should ship this week. To this day, I have no idea why people would pay 3x the price of a Protechsport for a Bauer 961 Please be sure to post some pictures! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 @bc30 just clinched my decision to go with a Harrison/Potvin shell. Already in contact with Michel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffy Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Been in my ProtechSport for about 5 hours now. Should have bought one years ago! Great mask!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwarnar Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 hour ago, SaveByRichter35 said: @bc30 just clinched my decision to go with a Harrison/Potvin shell. Already in contact with Michel. I'm leaning the same way... on holidays for nearly a month here so I'm hoping to get my mold done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffy Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Got my decals from Michel today. I know it's a small thing but I'm pumped to rock the Koho logo again. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted December 14, 2017 Author Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) New dangler: Did not build this dangler! Shawn built this as supplemental protection for the HM-30; I repurposed it for this purpose! Edited December 14, 2017 by bunnyman666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanG Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, bunnyman666 said: New dangler: Did not build this dangler! Shawn built this as supplemental protection for the HM-30; I repurposed it for this purpose! What material is it? Some type of composite? It looks translucent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted December 14, 2017 Author Share Posted December 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, TitanG said: What material is it? Some type of composite? It looks translucent. Probably carbon and fibreglass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffy Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Is it heavy? How's your downward vision with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnyman666 Posted December 14, 2017 Author Share Posted December 14, 2017 28 minutes ago, daffy said: Is it heavy? How's your downward vision with it? Very light; very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bc30 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1C5 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 @bc30 awesome. What a classic design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanG Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 13 hours ago, bc30 said: Did you ask to make the vent holes closer to the cage? I've noticed he usually puts the triangular holes further out which makes it look strange when compared to the Harrisons, Warwicks, etc. Also, that's a short chin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwarnar Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 14 hours ago, bc30 said: Gorgeous!!! Did you specifically ask michel for that shell? I’m in week 6 of 14 for my wait And would love that one in all black Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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